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|Oct-30-05|| ||Averageguy: <marcwordsmith>I actually like the game continuation better then your friends. All credit to him though for finding an alternate win. But I agree that combinations are more nice when they are the only way to win.|
|Feb-02-06|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: Back is down 2 rooks + 2 bishops (!!) and won ... nothing more to say.|
|May-25-06|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Wow, spectacular play by Schlecter, but he had a *lot* of help. 5.d4 is truly awful. 5.e3 must be the best move, intending Nf3, c2-c4 and Qb3.|
|May-19-07|| ||alshatranji: I thought of 16. Be1 too, but I was fascinated by Schlechter's continuation, which is not only prettier but faster. I don't understand how you can say it's "unnecessary".|
|May-19-07|| ||alshatranji: 13. Qxb5 at once doesn’t work. After 14. Bh6 (threatening Qf8) Black has to play Nd7, then 15. Qxa8 and we return to the same position played in the game. But White doesn’t have to accept the sacrifice: 15. Qc7! Then the final sacrifice doesn’t work: Qd5+, 16. Kc1 Be3+, 17. Bxe3 Nf2, 18. Qxc3! May be the prosaic 16… Be1 would work in this position.|
|Dec-24-07|| ||Ruy Lopez: That was just pathetic
|Dec-24-07|| ||mistreaver: Greedy white! This reminds me of a game at which Blackburne first employed Blackburne's mate. It is dangerous to go for the rooks in this fashion early in the game.|
|Dec-29-08|| ||playground player: Nobody was accomplishing anything with the Polish Opening in the 19th century--but it's in much better shape now, thanks to Tartakower, Sokolsky, and now Yuri Lapshun.|
|Dec-29-08|| ||Riverbeast: <Nobody was accomplishing anything with the Polish Opening in the 19th century--but it's in much better shape now, thanks to Tartakower, Sokolsky, and now Yuri Lapshun.>|
And of course, 'Rbeast' on FICS! ;-)
In all seriousness, anybody who understands the finer points of the Polish would know that Fleissig hoplessly misplayed the opening.
His first lemon was 3. a3 (much better was 3. b5)
|Dec-30-08|| ||playground player: <Riverbeast> Do you use this opening? If you have any of your games saved, please post one on my forum--I'd like to see it. |
I have one of my own Polish games up on my forum now. My opponent did take a prat fall at the end, but I'm pretty sure I had a win without his blunder.
In the few examples of Polish games I've seen from the 19th century, White always gets bombed.
|Jan-18-09|| ||WhiteRook48: what a sacrificial game!!|
|Mar-03-09|| ||Absentee: Simply beautiful. Schlechter deserved to be World Champion.|
|Mar-04-09|| ||WhiteRook48: why not 2...Bxb4?|
|Mar-14-09|| ||Fanacas: Sorry but there just is nothing good about the polish opening. Does nothing for devopmend and take´s no place in the center.|
|Jul-07-10|| ||vonKrolock: And now a clipping from the first publication of this game (August 1893, in an Austrian newspaper) appears online, thanks to Edward Winter and his correspondent Jan Kalendovský. Details in Chess Notes number 6665 July 2010 http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/ |
(Nothing surprisingly new or wrong about the date and the score, but there appears sic <"C. Schlechter (white) Fl. (black)"> ) - Yes, colours inverted in this heading, but Fleissig is identified just with the two first letters of his surname - in a clear analogy to the <"Master vs NN"> form
|Jul-07-10|| ||vonKrolock: In the post drafted above: Instead of <the first publication> Better reading: <<<<<<an early publication>>>>>> |
The editor of the column was <Gold>
cf. a post in page 9 of Carl Schlechter page, < He <Schlechter >learned to play around his thirteenth year, and the first personality of the chess world he met personally was <<Dr. Samuel <Gold>, a friend of his familly who was also the first native from Hungary to publish a book on Chess Problems>>>>
|Jul-07-10|| ||vonKrolock: April 1894: the "Deutsche Schachzeitung" answer to <B. F.> in Wien: <"Sie teilen uns mit das Sie die in der Rubrik "Partiestellungen und Endspiele" unter Nr 589 mitgeteilte Partie gegen den begabten jungen Schachmeister Carl Schlechter in Wien tatsächlich verloren haben, dass diese partie jedoch zu den sogenannten "Husarenpartien" gehört, von denen 12 Stück auf ein Dutzend gehen und die kaum länger als höchstens je 5 Minuten dauern. - Wir nehmen nicht an, dass der Einsender der Partie durch Verschweigen dieses Umstandes eine Mystifikation unseres Blattes oder gar eine privat Bosheit gegen Sie beabsichtigte. Zu derartiger pikant gefärbten persönlichen Angriffen, welche in Einzelnen Schachblättern das Hauptfutter der Leser bilden, gibt sich die Schachzeitung nicht her."> |
researched by Peter Anderberg, the clipping is kindly provided by Edward Winter today in "Chess Notes" number 6668 (same link above)
Bernhard Fleissig concedes that he actually <LOST> this game to Schlechter, but it seems that he would like to have emphasised that it was a blitz game. The magazine rejects any claim that the omission of details about the lightness of the encounter could be intentional.
|Nov-13-10|| ||Phony Benoni: After <13...Nd7>:
click for larger view
Does 14.Qc4 give White a chance to survive? He threatens the Ne4 as well as a queen trade. Black has 14...Rd8, but White might try 15.Qxe4 and wind up trading the queen for a couple of Black's more active pieces. It seems scary, but might be worth looking into.
By the way, not 14.Qc4 Rd8 15.Qb4+ Ndc5+! 16.Bd2 Rxd2+ 17.Kc1 Rd1+! 18.Kxd1 Qd8+, and we get back toward the game scenario.
|Nov-13-10|| ||Check It Out: 14.Qxb7 is best according to Shredder with a evaluation, but 14.Qc4 Rd8 15.Qxe4 Ne5+ 16.Qd3 Rxd3+ 17.exd3 Bxg1 18.Rxg1 Qb6 19.Rh1 Ng4 looks like a brutal sequence for an OTB player to follow up with for a win, so I'd say you're on to something, <Phony Benoni>.|
|Nov-13-10|| ||scormus: Lovely attacking game from one of the great (and undervalued?) players of all time. |
<Schlechter fleissig; Fleissig schlecht>
|Nov-13-10|| ||WhiteRook48: ouch...Nf2!!!|
|Nov-13-10|| ||playground player: For a moment there, this looks like a fairly modern use of the Polish Opening. <Riverbeast> favors 3.b5 over 3.a3, which is the way Sokolsky usually played it (and the Russians don't call it "the Sokolsky Opening" for nothing).|
I, too, prefer 3.b5, but you see a3 often enough to accept it. The real dud was 5.d4, deserving of double question-marks. Far better, and pretty much de rigeur by now, would be 5.e3, allowing the Bishop to protect the pawn on b5 and keeping Black from playing his pawn to d4. 5.d4 just hems in the "Sokolsky Bishop" and hopelessly cramps White's position.
No one playing this opening nowadays would have played that move.
|Nov-13-10|| ||kevin86: Schlechter was known as a "drawing master" but ironically when he had the title nearly in his hands,played for a win and lost vs Steinitz.The pieces fly in this game as black is left with a lone knight and queen while white has a queen,two rooks,two bishops,and a lone cavalier-all oassive,except for the rook that aids in the adverse mate.|
|Nov-13-10|| ||tentsewang: Carl Schlechter's an absolutely beautiful man. I think the outbreak of WWI caused him to think of mass suffering and impermanence, which lead to graven his depression and died of malnutrition. A master of an art itself. May all beings be happy...|
|Nov-13-10|| ||ounos: 18. Kb1, then what|
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