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|Mar-05-05|| ||Flyboy216: Crafty seems to think that 35 ... Qh4+ is okay, while the text move is an immediate loss. The eval from move 34 to 36 goes from roughly even to +10. |
|Mar-05-05|| ||beatgiant: <drukenknight>
37...Bf1+ 38. Kg1 Bxh3 39. d8=Q Bxg4 40. Rxh7+! Kxh7 41. Qe7+ Kh8 42. Bxf6+ looks like it mops up, or here 38...Rg6 39. Re8 and I don't see what difference the position of the bishop on f1 makes.
|Aug-21-05|| ||Jim Bartle: This game isn't included in "Fire on Board," but Shirov refers to it in another game, complaining mildly that NIC and other magazines wrote that he had won despite being a "rook down."|
Well, didn't he?
|Aug-21-05|| ||Speed Zamboni Driver: I love seeing Shirov play these kinds of games. You wonder, does he actually calculate 15 moves deep, or does he play the way they said Tal did, on intuition?|
Maybe this is a good way of measuring Kaspaov's talent. Shirov has beaten a lot of GMs with these all out attacks, but has never beaten the 'Gaza'.
|Dec-28-05|| ||babakova: Shirov and Kasparov are both calculating players and the reason Shirov has failed to beat Kasparov is simply because he is worse at calculating.|
|Dec-28-05|| ||setebos: I think both are calculating individuals and that as a chessplayer Kasparov can calculate deeper and better than Shirov|
|Dec-28-05|| ||Brown: Kasparov combined calculation with positional and initiative understanding better than anyone, ever. We can thank Karpov for pushing Kasparov to that understanding.|
Kasparov's "value" system is simply better, much like a superior computer program has a better chess algorithm
|Dec-29-05|| ||babakova: Sure Kasparov has probably learnt much from Karpov, however Karpov still plays certain positions better than him, thats the reason they have competed on roughly equal terms. I dont think Shirov is better than Gazza in any type of position.|
|Dec-31-05|| ||Brown: <babakova> I agree with your entire post.|
|Dec-31-05|| ||HannibalSchlecter: Great game! Shirov looked much better out of the opening, that allowed for the sacrifices which were spectacular.|
|Jan-02-06|| ||Queens Gambit: Awesome sacrifices!!!|
|Jan-02-06|| ||whatthefat: It really irritates me when people make such generalisations as Kasparov calculates, Tal and Shirov intuite...
If anything I would suggest that Tal was among the best chess calculators ever. Most of his sacrifices were tactics that he calculated out fully. The more famous but rarer 'Tal' sacrifices came about when calculation was simply impossible. |
You could even argue that Tal used his calculation abilities in performing these sacrifices, in the sense that he willingly entered positions where correct calculation was difficult, simply to do better than his opponent. He trusted that in an incredibly tactical situation, he would see more than his opponent, and a lot of the time that was the case. Against other supremely talented calculators like Korchnoi and Spassky, this strategy was less likely to work, and the results show it.
All top grandmasters both calculate excellently and rely heavily on their intuition.
|Mar-02-06|| ||Brown: <whatthefat> I think you calculated your argument very well, but I think I only intuitively understand it.|
Your description of Tal's decision making speaks of more of an intuitive nature than anything else. Perhaps this was your point, but I'm not sure.
|Mar-02-06|| ||Jim Bartle: That's self-evident.|
|Mar-07-06|| ||Brown: <Jim Bartle> What's self evident, or is that the joke?|
|Mar-07-06|| ||Jim Bartle: It was the joke..."I think you calculated your argument very well, but I think I only intuitively understand it" was very funny.|
|Mar-08-06|| ||Brown: Thanks <Jim Bartle>, hope I got a chuckle!|
|Aug-25-07|| ||costachess: I didnīt understand any move, can anyone explain it?|
|Dec-06-07|| ||fromoort: <costachess>: Didn't you understand 1. d4? :-)|
|Aug-26-10|| ||HeMateMe: Gorgeous finish. The two great rivals for Kasparov's crown. Funny, VK beat Shirov 13-11, with 24 draws, in classical chess. But Kasparov just creamed Shirov, no wins for Alexi. Hard to figure it, seeing as how evenly VK played Kasparov.|
this might be a fun opening to play, as white. If you could play it like Shirov, of course.
|Aug-26-10|| ||FISCHERboy: I just find it odd, aren't all chess players "calculating players?"|
|Dec-02-10|| ||sevenseaman: In my collection I've named this game as Alexey's Mona Lisa as I find it the best win Shirov has logged up against a top player. I should be delighted if I came across or were directed to a better one from Shirov.|
|Dec-02-10|| ||BramSemeijn: 31...F4 gives black a draw?|
|Mar-15-12|| ||positionalgenius: Nxf5+ ! This has to be one of shirov's best games.|
|Mar-15-12|| ||Penguincw: That bishop on a6 is misplace.
< positionalgenius: Nxf5+ ! This has to be one of shirov's best games. >
It may be, but most of <cg>'s members don't think so. The notable games page here for Shirov:
Alexey Shirov. Well, it's not in the Top 10.
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