|Dec-29-05|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: Combination wins only a pawn - or is it more?|
|Jun-02-06|| ||lentil: There's something wrong here. According to "Korchnoi's Chess Games", Korchnoi-Simagin URS ch Leningrad 1960 was 0-1! It started with 1 c4 e5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 d4 Bb4 4 Nf3 b6 5 Qc2|
Simagin won brilliantly in 33 moves. It was one of K's 2 losses in this tournament, which he won.
|Jun-02-06|| ||borisbadenoff: <entil: There's something wrong here. According to "Korchnoi's Chess Games", Korchnoi-Simagin URS ch Leningrad 1960 was 0-1! It started with 1 c4 e5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 d4 Bb4 4 Nf3 b6 5 Qc2|
Simagin won brilliantly in 33 moves. It was one of K's 2 losses in this tournament, which he won.>
Nothing wrong here.
The game you are refering at is this one Korchnoi vs Simagin, 1960
|Jun-02-06|| ||Benzol: <borisbadenoff> & <lentil> Have either of you submitted a "suggest your correction" report?|
|Jun-02-06|| ||borisbadenoff: As I said. Nothing to correct here.
There were 2 games between those two in this tournament
|Jun-02-06|| ||borisbadenoff: This is one of them with a quick win for Korchnoi and the other one (mentioned by lentil) with a win for Simagin where I have provided the corresponding link|
|Jun-02-06|| ||lentil: <boris> not true. the leningrrad URS championship (like all URS championships?) was a single round-robin. korchnoi lost to bagirov and simagin but scored 14/19 to finish 1/2 point ahead of petrosyan and geller.|
|Jun-02-06|| ||lentil: p.s. can you think of any double r-r where one player has black in both games?|
|Jun-02-06|| ||borisbadenoff: Hmm maybe I was a bit quick.
After some investigation it seems you're right it was a single r-r.
But I have, like the chessgames.com database and some other resources 3 games 2 with Kornchoi white and 1 with Korchnoi black
Interesting is that they are all 1960 in Leninggrad.
The difference of this game and this one Korchnoi vs Simagin, 1960 which is the one we are talking about.
Is that this game has
[Event "Ch URS"]
[Site "Leningrad (Russia)"]
while the other one has
[Event "URS-ch27 Leningrad"]
[Site "URS-ch27 Leningrad"]
So maybe this game is not from the 27th URS-CH but maybe some kind of qualification match (I'm not familiar with the modalities then) or it's a game played while the CH. Suggestions?
<korchnoi lost to bagirov and simagin>
and Lutikov ;)
|Jun-02-06|| ||borisbadenoff: Hmm maybe a game from the semi-finals as only Petrosian and Smyslov didn't have to qualify for the 27th Championship played in the Chigorin Club in Leningrad|
|Jun-02-06|| ||lentil: <boris> yes, and lutikov!|
the semi-final for the 1960 championship was chelyabinsk 1959. simagin did not play in it, and korchnoi won it undefeated.
|Jun-06-06|| ||lentil: solved! this is game 1 of 2 between these players from the leningrad-moscow match of 1960. in my copy of 'korchnoi's chess games', it is also truncated at move 9 with the notation '...' . evidently the game continued but the rest of the score was lost or is illegible.|
|Dec-19-12|| ||kasparvez: 9...Nxd5 and Black is alright, not even a pawn down [10.cxd5 Bxd2 11.Qxd2 exd5]. So what's the issue here??|
|Aug-05-13|| ||iamdeafzed: <9...Nxd5 and Black is alright, not even a pawn down [10.cxd5 Bxd2 11.Qxd2 exd5]. So what's the issue here??>|
I believe the issue is 9...Nxd5 10.cxd5,Bxd2 11.dxe6! White gets his piece back since both the bishop on d2 and knight on d7 would both be hanging.
Took me a little while to see that.
|Aug-05-13|| ||tjipa: Well, after 11.dxe6 Bxe3 12. fxe3 fxe6 black is not a pawn down either. He is standing worse, still no reason to resign yet. (After 12. exd7 Bf4 I even prefer Black).|
|Aug-07-13|| ||iamdeafzed: <Well, after 11.dxe6 Bxe3 12. fxe3 fxe6 black is not a pawn down either. He is standing worse, still no reason to resign yet. (After 12. exd7 Bf4 I even prefer Black).>|
11.dxe6,Bxe3 12.exf7+!,Rxf7 13.fxe3 would still leave white a pawn up, plus with the threat of Bc4. I suppose one might argue that black would have some compensation in the form of an open f- file, but white should still be clearly better here...enough of an advantage at a high GM level if not club level.