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|Jun-29-05|| ||mohd rafi fan: 50. Rxb2 ...Rh2 51. Kf3 ...Rxb2
|Jun-29-05|| ||WannaBe: <mohd rafi fan> I see, I see. Thanks.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||kevin86: When I first saw the puzzle,I thought that the key for a black win was Rh1.|
But NO! white had to draw-and I missed the punch line.
A similar result is found in :Horowitz-Pavey.
|Jun-29-05|| ||talchess2003: <awful hangover: Yes, very easy indeed.>|
What's the point of bragging on an online site where no one even knows you? When you do so you give the impression that you are trying to make up for a lack of self-confidence in OTB chess.
<aginis> To build off your idea, I believe 58... f3+ leads to the quickest win for black.
If 58... f3+ 59. Kf2 then
60. Rf8+ Ke4 (60. Rb8 b2)
61. Re8+ Kd3
and 62. Re3+ accomplishes nothing, black simply moves 62... Kc2
If 58... f3+ 59. Kf1 then
60. Rb8 b2
61. Rxb2? Rh1+
62. Kf2 Rh2+
And if 59. Ke1 white can manage to save his rook but after the trade f2 will queen.
These variations are all pretty simple, but aginis's idea of f3+ is nice as it destroys white's hopes of a stalemate.
|Jun-29-05|| ||YouRang: Shoot! I figured it had to be a stalemate maneuver, but I didn't find it. It wasn't even that hard.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||YouRang: <Sneaky: The irony here is that the very weakest players among us will settle on 60.Rxb2 instantly because they won't even consider the ramifications of 60...Rh2+.>|
Yes, but then after 60... Rh2+, the weak player will resign! (Unless he's playing a strong player, who will concede the draw after 60. Rxb2!)
|Jun-29-05|| ||tpstar: <talchess2003> Because he's so happy to have solved the puzzle! Personally, I much prefer positive feedback or elated comments over any "First to post!" nonsense. Cut the G some slack, Daddy Mack. =)|
Interesting how some positions are easy for some yet hard for others, and vice versa, although knowing a shot is around tends to trim your analysis tree right there.
|Jun-29-05|| ||fgh: I also solved this one quickly. Good week so far, 3/3.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||Fulkrum: Funny, I just played this in my CT-Art endgame trainer the other day. Of course I missed the stalemate.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||MaxxLange: I'm in the "of course not ...Rxb2, there is a skewer" group. |
Funny how one knows some of these old masters just from their losses to famous players (I'm thinking of the famous back rank combination in Bernstein-Capablanca). I think this is the only other Bernstein game I've seen.
|Jun-29-05|| ||aw1988: This is very cunning, if Rh2+ there is Kf3 and Rxb2 is stalemate! I wouldn't say this is a big blunder. I mean, it certainly is, which makes the above statement somewhat contradictory, but it's not an obvious blunder.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||TheAlchemist: <MaxxLange> Bernstein was a brilliant player, which was acknowledged even by Emanuel Lasker. Instead of a chess career, Bernstein took up a career as a lawyer and was very successful, of which Lasker said it was the proper thing to do, as it guaranteed him to make a decent living. Check his notable games, they're great (against Kotov, Najdorf, etc.)|
|Jun-29-05|| ||sfm: <talchess2003
[aginis] To build off your idea, I believe 58... f3+ leads to the quickest win for black.
If 58... f3+ ...>
But did you consider how black should continue after 59.e3 ?
To win Black can instead of 59.-,b2?? play e5 . White can not sucessfully defend against all of
(1) black marches to b2 with his king which is an easy win.
(2) if white plays d2 black shut him out with e3 and the black king can't be stopped from reaching f3
(3) b3-b2 can now be played as there's no stalemate
|Jun-29-05|| ||aw1988: 58...Re3+ fails- the king catches the b-pawn just in time. |
Perhaps 58...Rh2+ would win.
|Jun-29-05|| ||DutchDunce: Ugh. I saw the stalemate, but couldn't see the draw if Black countered with anything other than RxR. In fact, I still don't see the draw after 61.Kf1. Maybe shuffleboard is more my speed.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||Mating Net: I think <Sneaky> hit the nail on the head <The irony here is that the very weakest players among us will settle on 60.Rxb2 instantly because they won't even consider the ramifications of 60...Rh2+. Slightly stronger players will discard 60.Rxb2 on these grounds, thinking that they recognize a common x-ray tactic.>|
I couldn't get it after struggling with it for most of the day.
|Jun-29-05|| ||midknightblue: took me a sec, but then i realized that a draw in a problem, is usually some quick tactical maneuver resulting in a stalemate. Then I realized the pawn at b2 was not poisoned at all, as the resulting skewer (or Xray or whatever it is called)with Rh2+ is not a true threat, since Kf3 Rxb2 would be a stalemate.|
|Jun-29-05|| ||MaxxLange: <TheAlchemist> Thanks, that Bernstein-Najdorf game is incredible.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <talchess> to "brag" (or is just to be pleased one has solved something?) is natural - but of course if I say eg "I solved it instantly is" (that is just me feeling good about myself) (I also often analyse positions -always in my head - for hours without finding the right sequence:its natural to comment) or really - because we feel that we are in a group and we have a need for people to see how we are smart - whatever: to participate (we are social animals) - when bragging becomes an obssesion - then we are in trouble: a balance between a good self feeling and circumspection is the ticket I feel - but whether we do or dont solve anything is irrelevant to everyone as you say - but its part of the fun as <tpstar> points out - <Ezzy> went the other way telling us how he didn't solve this one and the reason (pattern recoginition) -and indeed I think I recogized the type of position pattern hence saw it immediately) and how he learnt from it which is great. I have missed ones where the 'pattern' was obscure for me..|
|Jun-19-06|| ||refutor: this is the only game between bernstein and smyslov in this (or my) database...i bet smyslov wanted another crack at him after playing 59. ...b2??|
|Jan-16-07|| ||russep: doesn't black miss Rh2+ winning the white rook on move 60?|
|Jan-17-07|| ||nescio: <russep: doesn't black miss Rh2+ winning the white rook on move 60?>|
No, he didn't. Most of the discussion above is about the cleverness of 60...Rh2+ 61.Kf3!. That's what Smyslov missed when he played ...b2.
To add something constructive and ironic about this game: in the tournament book it is mentioned that Bernstein showed Smyslov a similar trick a few days before this game.
|Apr-13-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 60....Rh2+ 61 Kf3! is a clever stalemate trick|
|Aug-24-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 59...b2??|
|Sep-07-12|| ||vinidivici: ooops...smyslov missed an easy win.
Is it either 59...Rc3 (bring the rook to the middle) or 59...Rh2 would win.
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