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|Oct-02-18|| ||RookFile: I took a look at the position after 16 moves and what interests me the most is the fact that black has two bishops.|
|Oct-02-18|| ||James51358: rookfile, yes, and that extra pawn on the 5th rank. fischer's brillance|
|Oct-03-18|| ||James51358: So was 16. Bd2 for the soul purpose of making Fischer advance his extra pawn into enemy territory? We as chess players of any strength know we have advance our pawn to the 8th rank. your thoughts?!|
|Oct-03-18|| ||beatgiant: <James51358>
The a-pawn's advance is not just a free move for Black, it also changes control of squares (Black's knight can no longer use a4, but White's bishop can use b4). So you'd have to analyze a lot before saying 16. Bd2 was a mistake.
|Oct-03-18|| ||SChesshevsky: I think consideration of that b4 square is probably important. It looks like Spassky was playing for control of the dark squares and wanted to place a N on b4. Seems Fischer had to play 27...c5 to prevent it but that weakened d6 square. |
I don't believe Spassky missed 29...Qxd6 and the following. Maybe he thought that opposite color bishops and an active defense with his own passed pawn was a better chance than trying to hold with a passive defense. And it probably does seem to be more suiting to his style.
|Oct-03-18|| ||James51358: So why the immediate 17. Bg5 if the b4 square is so important? Is Bb4 better?|
|Oct-03-18|| ||RookFile: The funny thing is that 17. Bb4 is a perfectly good move. It is more defensively oriented, increasing the chances for a draw for white but decreasing possibilities to attack.|
|Oct-03-18|| ||diceman: <James51358:
Spasskys 16. Bd2 was pointless.>
Interesting that StockFish doesn't consider it an error, or give it a question mark.
|Oct-03-18|| ||James51358: Which is better Bg5 or Bb4?|
|Oct-03-18|| ||beatgiant: <james51358>
I like the way Spassky played it. He generated a lot of counterplay for the lost pawn, and his bishop played a key role in that.
|Oct-10-18|| ||James51358: Fischer sac, 37...Rh8, was quite daring. it did have the effect of freezing Spasskys h pawn. And I believe that the extra pawn gained on move 16 made this sac work.|
|Oct-10-18|| ||James51358: I love this game!!!!|
|Oct-16-18|| ||James51358: I believe that Fischer tricked Spassky, allowing his king to be attacked and fischer ended up with his king on the queen side of the board to support his pawns. yes?|
|Oct-23-18|| ||James51358: does Rd7d6+ force a draw?|
|Nov-04-18|| ||hiawatha: The decisive game of the match. Botvinnik comment: "This game was the highest creative achievement of Fischer. He resolved a drawish opposite-colored bishops endgame by sacrificing his bishop and trapping his own rook. Then five passed pawns struggled with the white rook. Nothing similar had been seen before in chess."|
|Nov-07-18|| ||James51358: hiawatha, i still believe that fischers 1....Nf6 was the winning move. your thoughts|
|Nov-08-18|| ||offramp: <James51358: hiawatha, i still believe that fischers 1....Nf6 was the winning move. your thoughts>|
I'd go for 68...Kd3.
|Nov-08-18|| ||Howard: Given that Fischer rarely ever played Alekhine's Defense, it's hard to argue that it was the "winning move" here.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||offramp: <Howard> Remind me to look up what CL&R said about this game.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||Howard: Wouldn't it make more sense to "look up" the game in a book about the match ?|
|Nov-08-18|| ||diceman: <Howard:
Given that Fischer rarely ever played Alekhine's Defense>
Isn't that the idea?
The Russians didn't do a lot of work on those lines.
(I would bet the most work was done on the King's Indian, but Fischer didn't play it)
|Nov-09-18|| ||offramp: All right. Would someone else remind me to look up what CL&R said about this game?|
|Nov-09-18|| ||SChesshevsky: Though Fischer didn't play it a lot, believe the Alekhine did end up being his back up 1.e4 defense late in his career. I'm guessing the Russians did do work on it but whether Spassky took serious note is a question.|
|Nov-09-18|| ||Howard: Sorry, offramp, my USCF membership didn't commence until March, 1975.|
|Nov-09-18|| ||beatgiant: Someone will need to remind me not to post a cheap joke now.|
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