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Boris Spassky vs Robert James Fischer
"Fischer King" (game of the day Nov-01-08)
Fischer-Spassky World Championship Match 1972  ·  Alekhine Defense: Modern. Alburt Variation (B04)  ·  0-1


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Nov-01-08   TheMacMan: bobby was the greatest chessplayer of all time. period.
Nov-02-08
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  SuperPatzer77: Why White resigns is because after 74...f2, 75. Bxf2 (only move) Kxf2, 76. Rf4+ Ke3, 77. Rf1 Rd3 (protecting the Black b-pawn), 78. Rh1 Kf2, 79. Ra1 Re3 (threatening the rook exchange with 80...Re1), 80. Rd1 Re1, 81. Rd2+ Re2 (forcing the rook exchange and leaving Black with two connected pawns up).

After 74...f2, White's another try is 75. Rf4 but Black's strong reply is 75...Rxd4!, 76. Rxd4 Ke2, 77. Re4+ Kf3, 78. Re8 f1=Q, 79. Rf8+ Kg2, 80. Rg8+ Kf2, 81. Rf8+ Kg1, 82. Rg8+ Qg2+ (forcing White to give up his own remaining rook for the Black Queen and leaving Black with two connected pawns up).

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Nov-02-08   Eggman: <<SuperPatzer77>> In your second line White,as mentioned in earlier posts, has 78.Rb4 f1/Q 79.Rxb3+ Ke2 80.Kxa2, arriving at a Queen vs Rook ending, which is still losing, of course, but nevertheless allows White to put up some resistance.
Nov-02-08
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  al wazir: <SufferingBruin: Fischer was indicted.> My error. (I make mistakes in chess too.)

I had -- and have -- no sympathy with Serbian nationalism or with Milosevic's attempts at ethnic cleansing and annexation. Nevertheless, it seems to me that what Fisher did was in the nature of a thought crime. (Pun intended.) The sanctions you cite had the purpose of changing Serbian behavior by causing *economic* pain; but while the chess match benefited Serbia/Yugoslavia publicity-wise, it did nothing to help their economy. In fact, it worsened their balance of trade and reduced their foreign currency holdings to the tune of $5 million.

Would Fisher have been indicted if he had merely endorsed Milosevic's politics?

Nov-04-08   Brown: <<TheMacMan:> bobby was the greatest chessplayer of all time. period.>

That is the greatest post of all time. period.

Dec-03-08   OBIT: Yeh, it would have been interesting to see how the K+Q vs K+R endgame position pointed out by <Eggman> was played out. As <Eyal> says, this is a favorable starting position for Fischer, with the opposing king already on the edge of the board. Checking an endgame database, with optimum play Fischer captures the rook or mates in at most 13 moves. It also helps that Fischer would have had all night to study the adjourned position with his second. However, there is the historical perspective to consider:

One poster here suggests Fischer probably had the whole K+Q vs K+R ending memorized. That would have been utterly impossible. Walter Browne probably thought he knew the ending cold until he ran into the Bell Labs computer. However, one night might have been enough time for Fischer to work out all the winning lines for the adjourned position - he doesn’t have to know the whole ending, just this particular position. Having said that, I'm wondering if Fischer would have done this, thinking the win was “simple technique”, and decided to go bowling instead.

It is important to realize that this game was played before tablebases came into existence. (That would have ruled out, for example, Fischer calling up Ken Thompson and saying, "Hey, what's the easiest way to win this?") In fact, before the first K+Q vs K+R endbase tablebase was created, the general opinion of the endgame was that it wasn't that difficult to win. In the first edition of "Basic Chess Endings", Fine states the winning technique is to put the player with the rook in zugzwang, forcing the rook and king to separate. As the tablebases demonstrate, it’s a lot more complicated than that - optimal defensive play generally revolves around separating the king and rook at strategic times.

On the other hand, Spassky’s knowledge of this endgame was also pre-tablebases, so he probably would not have offered optimum resistance. So, I’m thinking that, even if Fischer’s doesn’t play perfectly after the adjournment, he still wins because Spassy doesn’t offer the best resistance.

With all that said, let me conclude by saying this is unquestionably one of the all-time great chessboard battles. When I first played through it in 1972, I was astonished by the complexity of the game from moves 29 on, as well as by Fischer’s determination to win it. Playing through it today, it still amazes me. This really is an epic game.

Dec-03-08   AnalyzeThis: <OBIT: Having said that, I'm wondering if Fischer would have done this, thinking the win was “simple technique”, and decided to go bowling instead. >

No, that's not Fischer of 1972. He was still analyzing the adjourned position of game 21, AFTER Spassky had resigned, and he was already world champion, looking for more tricks, even at the closing ceremony. And that was his attitude for all the adjourned games in that time period.

Basically, by that point, he figured he hadn't come all this way to leave anything to chance.

Dec-19-08
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  elAurens: The times taken for the moves of this game have been recently posted at http://www.crackteam.org/2008/12/17... if you are interested. Also, it looks like the date on this page is not correct; the game was played on August 10th and 11th. Yeah, it's an amazing game, all right!
Dec-19-08   Paraconti: Spassky would have lost the endgame anyway. He was mentally resigned to losing it after the blunder. In the 60s he would have played on with relish in a bad position just in the belief that a chess player must play on in both good and bad positions, but in this match he'd lost the fighting spirit to find draws in lost positions. But Kamsky would have probably played things out till he was mated, and likely managed a draw before that:-)
Dec-28-08   maxi: Interesting comments about Tablebases, <OBIT>.

Changing the subject, I recently read that Spassky was not worried about losing this game after the adjournment. In fact he did not take Fischer's chances seriously. Spassky says that the fact that Fischer thought for an hour before a move should have made him suspicious, but it didn't.

Spassky's phrase after the game does not make sense to me. It was something to the effect of "How can you lose when your opponent's rook is trapped". Well, if you are playing Bobby and he's got several passed pawns you better pay attention!

Jan-09-09
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  Eyal: <zev22407: Smyslov recomended 32)..c4! 33)N-b4 h6xg5 34)f4xg5 f5 and black is much better. Smyslov considered 32)..h6xg5 as a mistake allowing a long fight. Taken from the book "BOTH SIDES OF THE CHESSBOARD" by Byrne and Nei.>

Yes, the point being that after the knight is driven away from d3, White doesn't have the resource of Ne5+ etc.; his situation remains hopeless after, e.g., 35.Nxd5 exd5 36.Rxd5 Rxe1 37.Bxe1 a3.

<37)..R-g8 38)R-f4 K-e8 39)Rh4 R-a7 with the idea R-f7 and K-d7-c6 R Byrne and white has no counter play.> Actually, as Kasparov noted, instead of 39.Rh4 White has the brilliant 39.c4!! and after bxc4 (39...Bxc4 40.d7+) the other white rook can invade on the b-file. So Fischer's 37...Rh8! Still appears to be the correct choice, allowing Black to keep playing for a win.

Jan-09-09
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  Eyal: Another great sideline from this game is 43.Kf2 [instead of c3] Raxh3! 44.d8Q Rxd8 45.Bxd8 and White seems to be a rook up - but then comes 45...e5!


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And the white rook is trapped in the middle of the board.

Mar-28-09   AnalyzeThis: This game is a fantastic creative achievement, on both sides.
Mar-28-09
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  HeMateMe: <Given that Grandmaster and many-time USA Champion Walter Browne was later unable to win this ending against the perfect defense of a computer,>

Browne was in a money bet with IBM programmers, that he could win in 50 moves againt the rook. He actually failed to do it in 50, but gave the IBM people a forced wining variation to finish the Q vs. R ending, so they gave him the wager.

One of the participants in this was my college calculas teacher, a 2300 hundred strength player. The IBM people set up at his home, Browne was in another part of the country.

Of course now, the chess player could just hook up with Shredder or Rybka or maybe the best version of fritz and quickly pocket the money.

IF there were any unscrupulous chess players.........

Mar-28-09   AnalyzeThis: None of that applies to Fischer, of course. Even if this game had gone into queen vs rook, there would have been an adjournment first, and it's unthinkable that after that Fischer wouldn't have been prepared for every trick in the book. This match was his whole life here, and some nights he practically didn't sleep because he was studying so hard.
Apr-26-09   WhiteRook48: can anyone analyze 75 Rf4 Rxd4 76 Rxd4 Ke2 77 Rf4 f1=Q 78 Rxf1 Kxf1 79 Ka1?
May-22-09   Eduardo Leon: <WhiteRook48: can anyone analyze 75 Rf4 Rxd4 76 Rxd4 Ke2 77 Rf4 f1=Q 78 Rxf1 Kxf1 79 Ka1?>

79. ... Ke2 80. Kb2 Kd3 81. Ka1 Kc4 82. Kb2 a1=Q+ 83. Kxa1 Kc3 84. Kb1 b2 85. Ka2 Kc2 86. Ka3 b1=Q 87. Ka4 Qb6 88. Ka3 Qa5#.

Jun-30-09   chrisfostermusic: Game 13
© 2009 Chris Foster

The two grandmasters sat juxtaposition
Carefully analyzing the complicated condition
That their moves had led them to in this advanced rendition Of the Alekhine Defense

The world was transfixed on who would win.
Would it be Fischer or Spassky again
For this game ran off the board and through the skin Of all peoples in the opposing cultures

While adjourned experts agreed, by all means a draw
But a deeper truth emerged and begin to gnaw
and race through the mind of Fischer who saw
his winning advantage.

Trapping and cunning he whittled his way
Through a maze of deception that carried away
his opponent to the false hope of victory that day
Leaving him seated staring at the board long after the match was over

Game 13 hailed by Botvinnik as Fischer’s highest creative achievement His level of genius had left the Soviets in bereavement Of the world title and the intellectual containment
Of their philosophical dominance in the world

Fischer had theoretically slammed the door
And even though they would play several more
Spassky was like a dead man walking through the door
Marching to his ultimate demise

But the dance of victory was short and sweet
As soon Bobby Fischer would find his retreat
In exile - never to defend or repeat
his title of World Chess champion

Life was the game that he couldn’t master
With all of his outrageous moves his became disaster
The sinister plots overtook this grandmaster
Leaving him to renounce all who he once was, and all of what America stood for.

Jul-10-09   WhiteRook48: 66 Rh8
Jul-11-09   Eduardo Leon: <WhiteRook48>, if...

<66. Rh8??>

... then black can play...

<66. ... Rxh8 67. gxh8=Q a1=Q+>

... and black not only promotes his pawn himself, but wins the queen white has just promoted his pawn to.

Jul-11-09   Shams: this game is just redonkulous.
Jul-24-09   WhiteRook48: then 67 Rh8
Jul-28-09   The17thPawn: Then Rxg7 and March the pawn using the black king for support on white squares once 68...,Ke4 is played. Haven't found a save here for white either. White gives up material however I go about it.
Jul-28-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  Billy Ray Valentine: I agree this is a very instructive and exciting game with great creativity on both sides. But it also has plenty of flaws as well. And of course, if White had played 69. Rc3+ instead of 69. Rd1+ ?? it would have been a draw. But alas, Spassky was in time pressure and had only 4 minutes to make the final four moves before the next time control.
Aug-09-09   Eduardo Leon: <WhiteRook48>, if white plays...

<67. Rh8?>

... then black replies...

<67. ... c3+! 68. Ka1 f3!!>

Note that white can't take the rook, because he gets mated: <69. Rxg8?? c2 70. Kb2 a1=Q+ 71. Kxa1 c1=Q#>, so he has nothing better than returning to the first rank:

<69. Rh1 Ke4>

Black exploits the fact that the white king is confined to a1.

<70. Rc1 Kd3 71. Rf1 Ke2 72. Rc1 c2>

At last, the white king can move again, but black has made quite a lot of progress with his pawns.

<73. Bc5>

Otherwise, <73. ... f2> wins a rook.

<73. ... Rxg7 74. Kb2 Rb7>

And black will play <75. ... f2>. It's over.

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