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| Dec-18-07 |
| Riverbeast: <I doubt there are many chess positions Fischer understood better than Kasparov> There's more than one road to Rome. What made Fischer unique is that his moves and plans were so logical and so clear, most other GMs couldn't see them. Kasparov's moves were spectacular, complex...Fischer's moves were hidden in plain sight. Both were near impossible for other players to find. |
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| Dec-18-07 |
| RookFile: <keypusher: I doubt there are many chess positions Fischer understood better than Kasparov. There is no revealed truth in chess, either. White had a number of good plans in game 1 of the Fischer-Spassky match, and f4 was one of them. > That must be why you won't find Kasparov mentioning this anymore in OMGP 4. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| teak poker: I guess I am a "lurker"... |
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Jan-27-08
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| patzer2: For a while Fischer was indeed back and showing signs of his former brillance in this strange and unlikely rerun of the 1972 championship. The matchup and calling it a "championship" may have been a joke to serious players, but the quality of games such as this are real and historic reminders that Fischer was a world class player even 20 years past his prime. What's impressive here is how Fischer wins the game first on the Queenside and then focuses on an even more brilliant switch to the Kingside. Then after Spassky sacrifices a Knight for the attack, Fischer quickly returns a piece of his own to counterattack in 39. Bxf4! and tops it off with another piece offering in 42. Nf5!! to continue the attack and secure the win. If only for a small moment in time, Fischer recaptured the immagination of the Chess world, and even if it was the wrong match at the wrong time in history, those of us who could remember the 1972 match were glad to see a glimmer of hope for "The Return of the King." Indeed, it is the quality of this game and a few others that makes this 1992 match historic and important to Chess historians. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| D4n: This is a good pun by Chessgames.com... |
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Jan-27-08
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| whithaw: Fischer, in his prime, would have beaten Kasparov, in his prime. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| Whitehat1963: <<whithaw> Fischer, in his prime, would have beaten Kasparov, in his prime.> And you base this on what, exactly?
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Jan-28-08
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| kevin86: I like this one. The Fischer-Spassky match of 1992 was very much underrated by many and unknown by many others. Here is just another example of how Fischer was able to "get into the head" of Spassky. |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| ruyfanatic: <kevin86:> What do you mean by "get into the head of Spassky? |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| Aspirador: <ruyfanatic> He means "get into the head" not "giving head". Please compare with posting guideline #1. |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| Gameoverziggy: < He means "get into the head" not "giving head". Please compare with posting guideline #1.> Since when did Ruy ever imply what you are suggesting he implied, he asked a simple question. |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| Aspirador: I didn't say that ruy implied anything of the sort. I just wanted to clear up the situation. :=) |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| Gameoverziggy: You implied what Ruy said was in a sexual fashion when all he did was ask the meaning of "getting in the head" not "giving head". |
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| Feb-09-08 |
| Aspirador: I publicly apologize for ever alluding to the fact that the words "getting into Spassky's head" could be misread as an expression for oral sex. It was never my intention to do so, and I am deeply sorry for the stir this has caused. |
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Jun-22-08
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| Ulhumbrus: The answer to the following question may be instructive: What does White gain (or Black lose) if Black replies to 19 b4 with 19...cxb3? One alternative to 29...Bxe4 is 29...Ng8 eg 30 axb4 axb4 31 Rxa8 Bxa8 32 Ra7 g5 33 Qa5 g4 34 hg hg 35 Nd2 f5 36 exf5 Bxd5. There are at least two justifications for this: (1) If this loses, Black may be lost anyway
(2) If White can undevelop his QN, why can't Black undevelop his KN? |
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Nov-29-08
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| Travis Bickle: In the recent Spassky interview he said that games 1 and 15 of the '92 rematch were interesting. So I decided to post game 1 and 15. Spassky said that after Bobby won game 1 Fischer seemed to lose all his energy, talk about rust. |
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| Jan-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Great game by Fischer. This was the second match?! Wow, I didn't know until I looked at the year. |
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| Mar-29-09 |
| JoergWalter: A triumphant return of the king.
Just recalled Karpov's comments like:
"one game was extremely good, game 1",
"g4 is a fantastic resource, I like the game because of this move" and finally "this game is the beauty of any competition". In my mind objective and fair statements of someone who has written chess history himself. |
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| Mar-29-09 |
| 5hrsolver: < MichAdams: Is it possible that none of the GMs saw 40.Nh4 because GM Keene was standing in the way?> Thats funny!!! |
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| Aug-01-09 |
| totololo: How can you even think that Gazza will praise high FIscher and accept that F> was and is No1 chess player for all time? and by the way who cares? F> has nothing to demonstrate to anybody. Looking from high, he should have some fun looking to patzers like us..... |
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Aug-27-09
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| Hesam7: <Ulhumbrus: One alternative to 29...Bxe4 is 29...Ng8 eg 30 axb4 axb4 31 Rxa8 Bxa8 32 Ra7 g5 33 Qa5 g4 34 hg hg 35 Nd2 f5 36 exf5 Bxd5. There are at least two justifications for this: (1) If this loses, Black may be lost anyway
(2) If White can undevelop his QN, why can't Black undevelop his KN?> Lets take a look at your line after 29...Ng8 30.axb5 axb5 (30...Qxb5?? 31.Ba4! and the Queen is trapped) 31.Rxa8 Bxa8 (31...Rxa8 is another move one should look into) 32.Ra7 g5 and now 33.Qa6! 
click for larger viewnow after 33...g4 34.hxg4 hxg4 35.Nfd2 Black can not play the freeing 35...f5 because of 36.Qxd6. In fact it is very hard to suggest anything for Black here. To answer your questions: I believe after 29.Nb1 Black is lost and the reason 29...Ng8 does not work is because White's K-side is much more solid than Black's Q-side. |
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Aug-27-09
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| Hesam7: I think Black is lost after 29.Nb1:
click for larger view but it would be interesting to see what is his toughest defense. Here are two ideas: [1] My engine suggests: 29...Rab8 30.axb5 axb5 31.Ra7 Rd8 32.Ra5 Bc8 33.Na3 Bd7 and Black somehow holds everything together. [2] Seirawan gives 29...Nxe4 30.Bxe4 Nf6! 31.Nbd2 Nxe4 32.Nxe4 Bxd5 33.Ned2 as an improvement over the game. |
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Sep-30-09
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| Ulhumbrus: <Hesam7: <Ulhumbrus: One alternative to 29...Bxe4 is 29...Ng8 eg 30 axb4 axb4 31 Rxa8 Bxa8 32 Ra7 g5 33 Qa5 g4 34 hg hg 35 Nd2 f5 36 exf5 Bxd5. There are at least two justifications for this:
(1) If this loses, Black may be lost anyway
(2) If White can undevelop his QN, why can't Black undevelop his KN?> Lets take a look at your line after 29...Ng8 30.axb5 axb5 (30...Qxb5?? 31.Ba4! and the Queen is trapped) 31.Rxa8 Bxa8 (31...Rxa8 is another move one should look into) 32.Ra7 g5 and now 33.Qa6!
now after 33...g4 34.hxg4 hxg4 35.Nfd2 Black can not play the freeing 35...f5 because of 36.Qxd6. In fact it is very hard to suggest anything for Black here. > 35...Kh8 removes the potential pin on the f pawn so that White can't reply to ...f5 with Qxd6. |
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Apr-04-10
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| thegoodanarchist: <Riverbeast: Raymond Keene's notes to this game in the match book said that none of the GMs analyzing in the pressroom saw 40. Nh4. "(They were) unanimously analyzing 40. Qd4+ Ke6, which leads nowhere in particular."> Thanks for the nice citation, RB. This post is very reminiscent of the Robert Byrne-Fischer game of the early 1960s, when Byrne, with White, was resigning even as "GMs analyzing in the press room" thought that White was winning. |
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Apr-04-10
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| thegoodanarchist: <JoergWalter:
Just recalled Karpov's comments like:
"one game was extremely good, game 1",
"g4 is a fantastic resource, I like the game because of this move" and finally "this game is the beauty of any competition"> One can only wonder if seeing this game made Karpov recapitulate his feelings from 1975, when he was on the verge of playing Fischer for the WC title, only to have the match fall apart, due to Fischer resigning the title. I recall that Karpov said he felt like "a child who is promised a wonderful toy, only to have it taken from him"... So many of us chess fans to this day would give much to see the 1975 WC match played OTB. |
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