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|Jul-07-04|| ||iron maiden: <loudubb> 31. Nxb5 and Black just takes White's hanging queen with Qxe4. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||rookie44: as embarassing as this is to ask, i must first say that i am very new to chess, and even more so new to this site, and either i am misled in the definition of checkmate, or i am not seeing how checkmate is achieved here, i would very much apreciate an explanation as to how this is checkmate |
|Jul-07-04|| ||acirce: It's good that you ask, don't feel embarrassed. It is not checkmate. On higher levels the players usually resign before checkmate, because they realize that it is hopeless to play on anyway. In this case White is first of all down a knight in the final position as you can see. This is most often enough to resign on this level even if there are exceptions. A knight up is almost always totally decisive on higher levels. This is not all in this position though since Black is also threatening both rook to b1 which IS mate (check for yourself), AND capturing White's queen on e4. a lethal double threat, White can only defend against one of them since you only make one move at the time, so he resigned. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||tpstar: <rookie44> Greetings! This is a safe, friendly forum for players of all levels to improve our game, so it's nice to have you aboard! Black won decisive material with the sacrifice 30 ... Rxb5! because if White had accepted the hanging Queen (31. Qxg6?) that would lead to mate (31 ... Rb1++). If White captured the Rook (31. Nxb5), Black would take the hanging Queen (31 ... Qxe4) and would eventually win the game with such a huge advantage in material. 31. Nc6+? was desperation, which didn't alter the key features of the position after 31 ... Qxc6 (32. Qxc6? Rb1++). Other chess puzzles are White/Black to Play and Mate; these are White/Black to Play and Win, so not all examples lead directly to checkmate. Stay kewl, homebro. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||cu8sfan: Hello <rookie44>! Puzzles on this site get harder over the course of the week. they're pretty easy on Mondays and very hard on Sundays. I usually don't get the hard ones and sometimes not even the easy ones. Easy puzzles on Monday = at least something to look forward to on a Monday (-: |
|Jul-07-04|| ||rookie44: wow, thanks guys, i expected at least a few insults before i got a straight answer, never thought i'd see such hospitality. thanks again |
|Jul-07-04|| ||cu8sfan: <rookie44> This is a very civilized site which is also the reason why you'll even find some GMs and IMs here. Chessgames.com and the kibitzers usually do a great job observing these guidelines. That's why this site is so much fun! |
|Jul-07-04|| ||killaa: I've only had a quick look today but I was thinking 30. ...xe3 with the idea of capturing the unprotected white queen. Maybe this only works if white takes the . Does this work? |
|Jul-07-04|| ||cu8sfan: <killaa> 30. ...xe3 31. xe3 e8 or 31. fxe3 f1+ 32. /xf1 xe4 seems to work but White doesn't need to take the on e3. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||acirce: On 30..Nxe3 31.Qxe3 Re8?? there is 32.Nxf5 but Black wins after the intermediate 31..Rfd5, same threat and now also threatening the knight, he wins it and gets a winning position due to the strong passed d-pawn and the possibility to tear up White's king position if he castles, for example. White does have 31.Nxf5 of course but I think it's pretty clear that 31..Nxf5 gives Black much more than enough compensation. White needs to coordinate his rooks and ..h4 becomes an idea again after the castling. All in all, 30..Nxe3 looks like the second best move. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||ruylopez900: Hmm, I was looking at 30...d2+ but I think it gets rid of too many attackers for Black. The solution given was much better, Definitely carrys more of a threat (I also didn't conciously realise that the Knight/Pawn combo kept the King locked in, so you don't want to be trading things off! |
|Jul-07-04|| ||Hoozits: This was a tough one. I have trouble noticing double attacks when the second piece to be attacked is "checkmate." |
|Jul-07-04|| ||dac1990: Missed this one. I thought 30. ...Rxd4 would've won on account of 31. exd4 Re5, but I forgot the Queen could take. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||kevin86: <Hoozits> Just think of it this way: We do not take the king off the board at the end of the game-checkmate is enough. So picture checkmate as the capture of the king-so the double attack would be on the king and queen.|
The only difference would be that in this case,if white has an in-between move that would stave off the checkmate-he could employ it. With check,of course,it must be met directly.
|Jul-07-04|| ||themindset: look at white's play throughout this game! all he wanted to do was exchange exchange exchange. players who play like that seem to be trying to avoid playing chess, and i love seeing them punished so convincingly. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||killaa: thanks <cu8sfan> and <acirce>, I agree that 30. ...xe3 isn't as good as the actual move but should still win it for black. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||EyesofBlue: I'll join the ranks of those who "missed" this puzzle. I saw that the white queen was unguarded and under fire after any movement of the black rook at f5, but I couldn't get the rest of it. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||Dimitar Panayotov: acirce wrote: On 30..Nxe3 31.Qxe3 Re8?? there is 32.Nxf5 but Black wins after the intermediate 31..Rfd5, |
how exactly after 32.Qxd5?
But I missed Nxf5 also:)
|Jul-07-04|| ||acirce: <how exactly after 32.Qxd5?> The Q is on e3 in that line, you quote it yourself: <31.Qxe3> So that's not possible. 31.Nxf5 is pretty much the only move I think. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||bob725: This was difficult. Got Monday and Tuesday. Thought Wednesday would be pretty easy though. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||ezumpf: I missed this. I was looking at 30....Rxf2. 31. Qxg6, Rxa2. It looked promising, but i couldn't see it through. Too much going on. I, typically, see half a plan and try it to see what will happen. If anyone could tell me the crux of why my line fails I would appreciate it. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||tpstar: <ezumpf> Good idea, only one move too slow. See how 30 ... Rxb5! threatens Mate in One (31 ... Rb1++) while 30 ... Rxf2!? threatens the Ra2 plus the Qg6 but now there's no mate because White's King can escape to f2 = 30 ... Rxf2!? 31. Qxg6 Rxa2 (31 ... Re2+? 32. Rxe2; 31 ... d2+? 32. Kxf2) 32. Qxd3 (much safer than 32. 0-0!? d2) Ra1+ 33. Kf2 Rxh1 34. Qxc4 with an easy win. Therefore 30 ... Rxb5! is a better Discovery than 30 ... Rxf2!?, although your line would succeed if White's King was on f1 instead (= 30 ... Rxf2+!). Keep at it! |
|Jul-07-04|| ||MatrixManNe0: Hello all, I haven't posted for a while, but I HAVE, in fact, been checking the puzzles, etc.|
I, too, suspected Nxe3, but I suppose after the exchange, white ends up with enough material, etc. to win.
Also, I'd like to give rookie44 a warm welcome to chessgames.com
And... yea. that's my message..
|Jul-07-04|| ||Dimitar Panayotov: <acirce> You said black are wining after Rd5 but white can simply take this Rook with the Queen. |
|Jul-07-04|| ||ezumpf: Thanks tpstar. I kept thinking I could get my other rook to the f8 square. I could if my opponent would allow me to move twice in one turn. A gentleman would. |
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