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|Mar-05-05|| ||organist: Has anyone other than Reinfeld (Great Short Games of the Chess Masters pp 181-3) annotated this game? |
|Jul-19-09|| ||vonKrolock: <16...h5> this precipitate the apocalypse|
|Feb-03-11|| ||rilkefan: Did a double shift at my lab yesterday - or was it today? - and with my few functioning neurons can't get past 18....g6 after sacking the bishop.|
|Feb-03-11|| ||Terry McCracken: 17. Bxh7+ Kxh7 18. Rh3 Kg8 19. Rxh5|
|Feb-03-11|| ||Phony Benoni: A combination of themes. The set-up of the queens with a White knight in between suggests a knight move exposing Black's queen. Bxh7+ is in the air.|
Black's defenses need to be taken into account. After <17.Bxh7+ Kxh7 18.Rh3>, what if 18...g6? I'm seeing at least 19.Nxg6 Qxf4 20.Nxf4 regaining the piece with two extra pawns, but there may be better.
And what if Black declines the bishop with 17...Kh8? Does White have to play 18.Qh4 and settle for winning a pawn.
Could be some interesting discussion today.
|Feb-03-11|| ||Fish55: <can't get past 18....g6 after sacking the bishop.>|
18...g6 19. Nxg6 is a discovered attack on the queen while unprotecting the night.
|Feb-03-11|| ||Phony Benoni: And I predict the obvious pun will be made before the end of page one.|
|Feb-03-11|| ||jovack: Instead of Kg8, I would think g6 defends better for black|
|Feb-03-11|| ||miseiler: <Phony>
If black declines the bishop, 18. Ng6+ wins the queen.
|Feb-03-11|| ||dzechiel: White to move (17?). Material even. "Medium."
Saw the first two moves right away, but stalled after 18...g6. Failed to see 19 Nxg6, most likely because I was looking for a checkmate, not emerging from the combination two pawns up. My bad. <sigh>
|Feb-03-11|| ||al wazir: <Phony Benoni: And I predict the obvious pun will be made before the end of page one.>|
Fuss gets the boot.
|Feb-03-11|| ||mqhelisi: The declining of sac takes us to 18.Ng6+ but ya i was also trying to work it out using 18.g6 as defence and far much better though still losing|
|Feb-03-11|| ||plateos: 17. Lxh7+ Kxh7 (Kh8 Rg6+)
18. Th3 g6 (Kh7, Txh5 continuing the attack e.g. thretening Th8+)
19. g4 f6
20. gxh5 fxe5
21. hxg6+ Kg8 (Kg7 Th7+ winnning)
22. Dg4 and the threat Th7 (with or without Dxe6+) cannot be dealt with
|Feb-03-11|| ||M.Hassan: "Medium" White to play 17.?
Materials exactly even
White Queen is under attack and the Bishop looking at h7 can start attacking and gain materials:
18.Rh3(pinning the Knight) g6
If the Knight is taken by either the King or f pawn, Black Queen is captured.
This is as far as I can go. White is up in pawns and better position
Time to check
IMO in the actual game, Black did not play well by leaving the Knight on h5 unsupported. 18....g6 was a better move than 18....Kg8
|Feb-03-11|| ||patzer2: For today's Wednesday puzzle solution, the demolition 17. Bxh7+! initiates a decisive attack.|
After 17. Bxh7+! Kxh7 18. Rh3 g6, then 19. Nxg6! initiates a discovered attack when play might continue 19...Qxf4 20. Nxf4 Rh8 21. Rxh5+! . Here White wins back the sacrificed piece with a two pawn advantage.
|Feb-03-11|| ||20MovesAhead: what's all the "Fuss" about ?
hack the h-pawn
|Feb-03-11|| ||Mendrys: Is it me or is losing 3 tempi in the first 7 moves a bad idea? This game serves as a model of how not to play in the opening so we should be thankful to Mr. Fuss. I too saw up to the presumably better 18...g6 but missed the immediate grab by the Knight.|
|Feb-03-11|| ||culei: Phonibenoni and everyone else you said 18... g6
But after that 19 rh3 or something threataning qh6 for a big checkmate
Is that logical
|Feb-03-11|| ||culei: And if you don't like what I said play it like this
<17.Bxh7+ Kxh7 18.Rh3 g6
19 rh3 rc8
20 qf6 ! Looks like unavoidable checkmate on rh8
|Feb-03-11|| ||culei: What I said only applies if he played kg8 first I got confused taught you were talking about that|
|Feb-03-11|| ||culei: Patzer2 can you recheck what you wrote I don't understand it I think in you're variation white looses two pieces for a pawn|
|Feb-03-11|| ||Mendrys: I guess it's a queens indian eh? I wouldn't be suited to this at all.|
|Feb-03-11|| ||SufferingBruin: Couldn't get past 18...g6. Looks like I had company.|
|Feb-03-11|| ||OhioChessFan: The theme is Black's loose pieces, the Knight and Queen. The Knight is subject to a pin and the Queen is subject to a discovered attack. If it's a Spielmann game, you expect an attack. Bxh7+ suggested itself immediately. Rh3 follows up by pinning the loose Knight. The subseqent check with the White Knight reveals an attack on the loose Black Queen. I think 18...g6 might have been a better try but Black was lost regardless. I have found yesterday and today to be far easier than average Wednesdays and Thursdays.|
|Feb-03-11|| ||culei: Ohiochessfan
Ithink 18... G6 is pretty good for black
If white plays 19 nxg6
Although black loses 2 pawns has a
$ pretty good attack on
whites castle wich could compensate
But if white plays 19 g4 there I see no hope for black do you agree wirth me?
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