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Aug-29-09
 | | cu8sfan: 23.? might be a nice Tuesday/Wednesday puzzle. |
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Sep-17-09
 | | An Englishman: Good Morning: <cu8sfan>, looks like you're slightly off by one day. |
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Sep-17-09
 | | dzechiel: White to play (23?). Black is up a pawn. "Medium." Whoa! A number of candidate moves present themselves quickly. But I think it's likely to be... 23 Nh6+
as this is easily the most forcing of the bunch. Black has little choice but to capture with 23...gxh6 24 Rxf6
And now black can try to sneak one by with
24...Rxe3 25 Rg6+!
Not 25 Rxf7 Rxf3+ 26 d4 Rxf7 27 dxc5 dxc5 and black is winning. And certainly not 25 Qg4+ Bxg4.
No, much better to put the rook en prise.
25...Qxg6
Or 25...hxg6 26 Qxf7#.
26 Qf8#
Back on move 24 black could have taken the e-pawn with the bishop and given a check, but the white king would merely side step the attack and black would still be knee deep in trouble. Time to check and see how this played out. |
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Sep-17-09
 | | JohnBoy: I don't get the point of 26...Bxe3+ at all. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | Milesdei: JohnBoy:
It's what's known as a "spite check." |
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| Sep-17-09 | | FlashinthePan: 23.Nh6+ was pretty obvious. However, 26.Qe4 is a smart move, that's rather hard to see, and it took me a couple of minutes to find it in that variation. In the game, Black then went for a desperate check with 26...Bxe3+, only to resign after White played the most evident response taking the bishop, but I expected 26...Bf7, and then 27.Qg4+ Bg6 28.Rxg6 hxg6 29.Qxg6 and wins. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | dfelix: <JohnBoy>
Black was probably trying to figure out what to do against the Rg6+ threat. 26...Bxe3+ lures the white queen further away from g6, but it still doesn't hold. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | Old Wolf: 26. Qh5 is even better |
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| Sep-17-09 | | FlashinthePan: 26. Qh5, Bf7 seems to hold longer, or am I missing something? |
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| Sep-17-09 | | zooter: 23.Nh6+ gxh6 24.Rxf6 should be a clear win for white. I'm sure there must be some other finesse in the position, but any strong player should win with the above moves... |
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| Sep-17-09 | | zooter: well, I missed 26.Qe4, but as I pointed out, run the position after 24.Rxf6 in any computer and I'm sure there are tons of ways to win. can somebody with silicon support my assessment please? |
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| Sep-17-09 | | andymac: I liked 23. Bxf6 as Qxf6 loses to Nh6+ (either Qxh6 and Rf8+ leads to mate, or the Queen is lost), and gxf6 loses the queen to Nh6+. Then I saw 23. Bxf6 Bxf5 which I think is best as without the Nxh6 none of the above works, and White is just a piece down. |
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Sep-17-09
 | | Some call me Tim: 22...d6 was a lemon. Black played 20...Ra6 for a good reason then blocked the rook's defense of f6 and enabled the combo. White still would have had a great position but Nh6 would not have worked. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | zb2cr: I found 23. Nh6+ and once the Pawn takes, 24. Rxf6 is easy. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | randyjohnson: 26..d5
how white win? |
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| Sep-17-09 | | stacase: I would have moved 25 Rf7 forcing Black's Queen off the 7th row as certainly the the tripled Rooks and Queen plus the e3 Bishop would have enough power to force a mate. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | mworld: <randyjohnson> 26...d5 27.Rg6+ hxg6 28.Qxg6+ Qg7 29.Qxg7# ) |
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Sep-17-09
 | | Open Defence: things can get very tactical in the English |
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| Sep-17-09 | | kolio: I didn't see Qe4, but saw 26...Qh5 27.Bb7 Qg4+ 27.Kf8 (Bg6 Rxg6+) 28.Rxf7 Qxf7 29.Qg7+ and white are queen for a rook with winning the rook soon after. I also looked at 26.Rxe6 Qxe6 27.Qxb7, but that doesn't work because of 27...Ra7 |
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Sep-17-09
 | | whiteshark: <23.Nh6+ Kf8 24.Nxf7 Rxe3> and now it's black turn to play a discovered check. |
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Sep-17-09
 | | johnlspouge: Thursday (Medium):
Stein vs V Lepeshkin, 1965 (23.?) White to play and win.
Material: N for B+P. The Black Kg8 has 2 legal moves, the White Bc3 x-raying one of them, h8. The White Nf5 attacks Pg7, on the a1-h8 diagonal of Bc3. White has a triple-piece battery Rf1, Qf3, and Rf4 behind Nf5, suggesting clearance of Nf5. The White Kg8 is vulnerable to 23…Bc5xe3+, forking Kg1 and Rf4. The White Nf5 defends against the fork, so if it moves, the forcing 23.Nh6+ is a likely candidate. Candidates (23.): Nh6+, Nxg7, Bxf6
23.Nh6+
(1) 23…Kf8 [Kh8 24.Nxf7+ wins Qf7]
24.Nxf7 Rxe3 [else, meekly drop Qf7]
25.d4 Rxf3
[25...Bxd4 26.Rxd4 Rxf3 27.Rxf3 Kxf7 leaves White with R for 3P] 26.R1xf3 B any [else, 27.dxc5 leaves White with at least R for 3P] 27.Nh6 gxh6 28.Rxf6+
White has R for B+P and the attack. The Black Ps are easy pickings for the Rs. (2) 23…gxh6 [Kf8 24.Nxf7 Rxe3 ] [else, drop Qf7]
24.Rxf6 (threatening 25.Rxf7,
or if 24…Q moves, 25.Rf8+ Rxf8 26.Qxf8#)
(2.1) 24…Rxe3 25.Rg6+ (threatening 26.Qxf7#)
25…Qxg6 [or Qg7] 26.Qf8#
(2.2) 24…Bxe3+ 25.Kh1 Qe7 [Qg7 is similar]
[other Q moves permit 25.Rf8+ Rxf8 26.Qxf8#]
<[Here, instead of 26.Qxd5, I went for 26.Rf7, overlooking 26…Qxe3+ through failure of board vision.]> (3) 24…Q any is similar to Variation (2), but omitting 24…Bxe3+ 25.Kh1. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | SamAtoms1980: My choice was 23 Nxg7, launching the right piece but pulling wide left. I only saw 23 ... Kxg7 24 Rxf6 and Black can resign, or 23 ... Qxg7 24 Rxf6 with the glow of a rolling attack. What I didn't see was that Black can quench the menace with 24 ... Bxe3+ 25 Kh1 d4! 26 Rf7 Qh6 27 Rf6 Bd7! and White will struggle to get out with a draw (he can escape with a perp after 28 Qd5+ Kh8 29 Bxd4 Bxd4 30 Qxd4 Bc6+ 31 Kg1 Qe3+ 32 Qxe3 Rxe3 33 Rf8+). Never mind that 23 Nxg7 can be rebutted with 23 ... Rxe3!! and White is toast. The move does have a nice trap: if 23 Nxg7 Bxe3+? 24 Kh1 Qxg7 25 Re1!! and White should win the game. |
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Sep-17-09
| | johnlspouge: < <zooter> wrote: well, I missed 26.Qe4, but as I pointed out, run the position after 24.Rxf6 in any computer and I'm sure there are tons of ways to win. can somebody with silicon support my assessment please? > Toga gives 26.Qh5 (threatening 27.Rg6+) as much better than 26.Qe4. |
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| Sep-17-09 | | euripides: What about <23.Nh6+ gxh6> 24.Rg4+ Kf8 25.Bxf6 threatening Bg7+ or Be7+ ? |
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| Sep-17-09 | | eblunt: < andyjohnson: 26..d5 how white win? > Easy,  g6+ followed by  g6+ |
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