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|May-22-07|| ||YouRang: <kevin86> Must be ancestor of meathead. According the cg.com's database, Reiner played just 3 games - all losses to Steinitz: |
(1) This game, where he lasted 18 moves,
(2) another game where he lasted 19 moves,
But then there's (3) "Reiner's Immortal", (Steinitz vs Reiner, 1860) where he lasted 32 moves!
|May-22-07|| ||newton296: saw it immediately, the bank rank mate is defended only by the rook at g4, so just divert it any way possible ! Ie Q h4
I play the scotch gambitt open and white's should have played 5)c3 not o-o with the idea if black plays ...pxp? then bxf7! kxf7 Qh5+ forking the black king and bishop at c5 and regaining the material plus trapping blacks king in the center. White's attack is raging and I have won many games with this trick!!
|May-22-07|| ||suenteus po 147: I saw the correct starting move, and I even saw the defense 17.Rg2, but I failed to see the follow through, continuing the offer of the queen to secure the mate :(|
|May-22-07|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Game # 695, page # 179 (Of the Pickard book on Steiniyz) is:
Steinitz-Rainer; New York, 1885.
1.e4, e5; 2.Nf3, d6; 3.d4, f5; 4.dxe5, fxe4; 5.Ng5, d5; 6.e6, Nh6; 7.Nc3, c6; 8.Ngxe4, dxe4; 9.Qh5+, g6; 10.Qe5, Rg8; 11.Bg5, Qd6; 12.Rd1, Qxe6; 13.Bc4, Nd7; 14.Bxe6, 1-0
|May-22-07|| ||MaxxLange: <YouRang> that looks pretty convincing!|
|May-22-07|| ||pggarner: YouRang:
<I agree with <MaxxLange> that white is busted. In fact, after 17.Kg2 Rxg4+ 18.Kxf3, black has:
19. Ke2 (forced) d3+
20. Kd2 Bxf2 (threat: ...Qe3+ & ...Qe1#)
21. c4 (make escape square) Qe3+
22. Kc3 d2+
23. Kb4 dxc1=Q
And white is burnt toast.>
Thanks, I didn't see the pawn-check after 19.Ke2.
|May-22-07|| ||willyfly: well... I did it again. I looked and looked and looked and finally gave up. I was thinking, "This is really a difficult puzzle for a Tuesday." Then it came to me, suddenly, as in a revelation. It's Black's turn to move!|
|May-22-07|| ||fm avari viraf: Steinitz exploits the vulnerable back rank with a stunning Queen sacrifice akin to the Arabian Mate.|
|May-22-07|| ||playground player: Wow, if this was Guess the Move, I woulda won!|
|May-22-07|| ||Billy Ray Valentine: I thought this was slightly more difficult than a normal Tuesday. I spotted Qh4 right away as a candidate move. Than I just had to make sure it worked.|
|May-22-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <pggarner>, <YouRang>, <MaxxLange>, <vesivialvy93>, and anyone else wondering: <So what does Black do after 17.Kg2?>|
17.Kg2 d3 18.Be3 does NOT hold for white, in fact, it is a quick mate: 18. ... Rxg4+ 19. Qxg4 Qxg4+ 20. Kh1 Qg1# (anything else than 19. Qxg4 results in an immediate mate by black).
17 ... d3 is the best response to 17.Kg2 and mates in 8: 18. Qf6+ Qxf6 19. Kxf3 Rxg4 20. e5 Qg6 21. h3 Rh4 22. f5 Qxf5+ 23. Kg2 Qxh3+ 24. Kg1 Qh1#
17 ... Rxg4 is second best and mates in 14.
|May-22-07|| ||greensfield: Saw mate pattern with Rook on g1 first. How to get the white rook on g4 out of the way? 16...Qh4 does the trick, also threaten mate with ...Qxh2. Then the mating sequence all falls into place. Nice puzzle|
|May-22-07|| ||beginner64: Can someone present an analysis if white plays 15. fxg4?|
|May-22-07|| ||Crowaholic: Same move as yesterday, but more possible responses.|
17. Rxh4 Rg1# -- that's of course one of the main threats, the other is Qxh2#.
17. Qf6+ Qxf6 -- no mate yet, but Black wins very easily.
17. Rg2 Qxh2+ 18. Rxh2 Rg1#
(not 17. Rg2 Qxf2?? 18. Qf6+! Rg7 19. Rxf2)
17. Qh5 Qxh5
17. Rxg8+ Rxg8 and White doesn't have anything of any use.
17. Qxh7+ Qxh7 (not 17. ..Kxh7?? Rxh4+), and Black is winning.
17. Kg2 Rxg4+, now White either gives the queen or 18. Kxf3 Qh3+ 19. Ke2 d3+ 20. Kd2 and my calculation skills end here. :-( Update: After consulting with a (virtual) board, I found 20. ..Qf3 21. Qf6+ Rg7 22. Qxg7+ Kxg7 23. c4 Qe2+ 24. Kc3 Qc2#, wait, White has 21. Qxg4! Qxg4 22. Kxd3 with an easy but messy victory for Black.
|May-22-07|| ||unferth: <beginner64: Can someone present an analysis if white plays 15. fxg4?>|
at a minimum, if 15 fxg4, white has no answer to Qh4 followed by Raf8 that I can see. white's busted, I think.
|May-22-07|| ||YouRang: <beginner64: Can someone present an analysis if white plays 15. fxg4?>|
It's better than 15. Rxg4 (the move played), but still strong for black is 15...Qh4!
Black threatens (1) Shoo the queen with 16...Raf8, with subsequent invasion at f2. (2) ...Nxf4 and mate threats at ...Qxh2 or ...Nxf2, (3) ...d3 with bishop adding to attack at f2 (not to mention a looming promotion threat).
At a minimum, black will be scooping up a winning material advantage.
|May-22-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <Crowaholic: ... 17. Kg2 Rxg4+ 18. Kxf3 Qh3+ ... easy but messy victory for Black>|
A minor improvement to your line: instead of 18 ... Qh3+, play 18 ... d3, threatening Qxf2#. Complete line below, with best resistance by white. As all other full lines I've shown, it is computer-verified.
16. ... Qh4 17. Kg2 Rxg4+ 18. Kxf3 d3 19. e5 Qxf2+ 20. Kxg4 Qg2+ 21. Kh5 Qxh2+ 22. Kg4 Rg8+ 23. Qg5 d5 24. Qxg8+ Kxg8 25. f5 Qg2+ 26. Kf4 h5 27. e6 Bd6+ 28. Ke3 Qe2+ 29. Kd4 Qe4#
<MostlyAverageJoe: ... <So what does Black do after 17.Kg2?> ... 17 ... Rxg4 is second best and mates in 14.>
Actually, in 13, as seen above.
|May-22-07|| ||gBizzle: niiiiiiice|
|May-26-07|| ||Tacticstudent: easy and beautiful puzzle. I love Steinitz style - he was very dynamic.|
|Apr-26-08|| ||TheBB: This is the second time I'm doing this game in guess-the-move, and I still can't make par score :(.|
|Aug-10-10|| ||tpstar: A classic combination that everyone should know, ending with an Arabian Mate.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||tpstar: <A classic combination that everyone should know, ending with an Arabian Mate> Agree.|
I would figure this one would be in every Arabian Mate Game Collection, but apparently not yet. =)
|May-01-12|| ||Llawdogg: Hey, you agreed with yourself tp.|
|May-02-12|| ||thomastonk: <Llawdogg: Hey, you agreed with yourself tp.> Yes, but after more than one year this is no matter of course! ;-)|
|Aug-08-12|| ||The Snark: This pretty little checkmate shows up in Fred Reinfeld's book "How to play winning chess". Evidently Reinfeld wasn't the only one to noticed it.|
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