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|Jun-15-03|| ||Kenkaku: Wow. Morphy's odds game opponent beating Steinitz in a game. |
|Jun-15-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: Wow... I remember after seeing Morphy's 12 move loss to Maurian during that odds game, i thought: "Wow, he must be so good at chess training with such a master." Well, there you go.|
|Jun-15-03|| ||Kenkaku: Looking at Steinitz's other games vs. the French Defense, he seems to have become fond of the move 2. e5 for some reason around this period. |
|Jun-16-03|| ||Honza Cervenka: Steinitz simply miscalculated the sac of Queen. |
|Jun-17-03|| ||drukenknight: how is this supposed to end anyhow: 32 Rh7 Kf8 33 Bh4? |
|Jun-18-03|| ||Honza Cervenka: If 32.Rh7 Kf8 33.Bh5, then simply 33...Bxg2+ 34.Kg1 Bxh3+ etc. |
|Jun-18-03|| ||drukenknight: oh I was confused, I thought steinitz was black. It will be a long, drawn out process but it is bad for white. |
white looked like he was doing fine. After the 19th move he is ahead by a pawn. His 20th is a logical way to force exchanges. So why not 21 NxN?
|Mar-30-05|| ||RookFile: Honza Cervenka: Steinitz simply miscalculated the sac of Queen. |
Hmm.... is a guy who miscalculates
going to beat Morphy? I think not.
|Mar-30-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <RookFile> I agree with you that Morphy would have beaten Steinitz, but in Honza's Cervenka's defense I dont believe Steinitz would have dared attempt such a speculative queen sac against Morphy. One of the first rules I learned about good chess play is to never underestimate your opponent. In my opinion, this is exactly what Steinitz did in this game, and he justly paid for it. 29.Reg3 with 30.Bh5 to come looks like a stronger continuation. |
|Aug-10-05|| ||MarkN: People are acting like this game is definitive evidence that Morphy is better than Steinitz, but it is only one game, so it proves nothing. People miscalculate all the time, and just because Steinitz miscalculated his Queen sac doesnt mean that Morphy is better than him. True, Morphy may have been better than Steinitz, but this game does not prove that.|
|Sep-08-05|| ||RookFile: Let's put it this way: the difference between Steinitz and Morphy is, Morphy might have STARTED this game at the exact moment that Steinitz resigned. Morphy was used to giving odds to Maurian and winning. For Steinitz, evidently playing Maurian at full strength was too challenging.
I have no doubt that Morphy would willingly have taken up Steinitz's postion, played 32. Nd3, and gone on to at least draw the game, even though he is objectively lost, of course. Considering that Morphy would sometimes give rook odds to Maurian, playing with a rook against the queen would not have been a big deal to him.|
Maurian vs Morphy, 1854
|Sep-08-05|| ||tamar: Maurian in 1883 was a far stronger player than in 1854. Sergeant writes of the period after 1867: |
"He continued to play chess with Maurian for about two years, but resolutely declined to play anyone else. He also continued to concede him the Knight, in spite of the fact that Maurian gradually grew too strong for such odds. The scores in the last four series of games which they played in 1869 are given as follows: (1) Morphy 6, Maurian 3 (2)Morphy 3, Maurian 3 (3) Morphy 7, Maurian 10 and (4) Morphy 0, Maurian 4, drawn 1." Morphy's Games of Chess
|Dec-13-05|| ||TheAlchemist: A quote from the movie Roxanne (1987):
"When you are reaching for a star,
there is a long way to fall."
I bet Steinitz was still hurting after a few days :-)
|Dec-13-05|| ||Akavall: 2...d6 is probably, I think white has nothing here.|
|Jun-11-06|| ||offramp: Morphy once lost to Maurian in 12 moves! Morphy vs Maurian, 1855.|
|Jun-20-06|| ||RookFile: Did you forget to mention that the game was played at ROOK odds, offramp?|
|Jun-20-06|| ||keypusher: <tamar> <"He continued to play chess with Maurian for about two years, but resolutely declined to play anyone else. He also continued to concede him the Knight, in spite of the fact that Maurian gradually grew too strong for such odds. The scores in the last four series of games which they played in 1869 are given as follows: (1) Morphy 6, Maurian 3 (2)Morphy 3, Maurian 3 (3) Morphy 7, Maurian 10 and (4) Morphy 0, Maurian 4, drawn 1." Morphy's Games of Chess>|
According to <SBC>, after this they played a long series of games at pawn and move (or pawn and two), but the games have not been preserved.
|Jun-20-06|| ||ughaibu: "is a guy who miscalculates
going to beat Morphy?" J Schulten vs Morphy, 1857
"I think not" --RookFile. (Roll over Descartes)
|Jun-20-06|| ||keypusher: Here is her post, copied from the Morphy page.
download <ckr>'s wonderful mymorphy.pgn (with historical commentary) http://batgirl.atspace.com/MyMorphy...
In 1869 Morphy played 38 games against Maurian at knight odds. No exact date for any of them is known. Morphy, believing Maurian had grown too strong for knight odds, continued playing him a pawn&2 odds, none of which have been preserved. After 1869, Maurian didn't trouble Morphy with requests to play chess, but this isn't to say Morphy didn't play any more chess. While there are no game scores, it seems that Morphy played chess until at least 1877.>
|Jun-20-06|| ||ughaibu: "Maurian didn't trouble Morphy with requests to play chess", I guess he thought Morphy was too weak to provide an interesting game.|
|Jun-20-06|| ||chancho: <ughaibu> LOL|
|Jun-20-06|| ||RookFile: We'll let ughaibu speak for himself, his words need no comment.|
|Jun-20-06|| ||chancho: Steinitz did get some payback in the following game.|
Steinitz vs Maurian, 1883
|Nov-30-08|| ||WhiteRook48: <ughaibu>: What the? If Maurian thinks Morphy's weak, he's heading for trouble.|
|Dec-23-08|| ||RookFile: Uggie just likes to pull people's chains. It's a great indoor sport, enjoyed by many.|
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