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Mihai Suba vs Mikhail Tal
Chigorin Memorial (1977), Sochi URS, Sep-??
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. Nimzo-English Opening (A17)  ·  0-1
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Apr-16-19  Walter Glattke: In BLITZ I've got a position Kb1 Be6 : Kc3 Rf2 Pa3, with mate threatening by the rook, so 45.-Rxf4 seems to win either.
Apr-16-19
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  Jimfromprovidence: After the text 46 Kxd3, below, find a move that does not win for black, if any.


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Apr-16-19
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  agb2002: Black has a rook for a bishop.

White threatens Bxh7.

The black king can stop both white pawns but its colleague can't do the same. Therefore, 45... Rxd3+ 46.Kxd3 h5 wins. For example, 47.f5 h4 48.Ke4 h3 49.Kf3 a5, etc.

Apr-16-19  Walter Glattke: Pa3, Rb2, Kc1 wKa1Bg6 is draw, I think.
Apr-16-19  areknames: <Jimfromprovidence> Didn't really look for the ONLY non-winning move but evidently 46..Ke6 does the trick! White will then play Ke4 and then f5+ thus gaining a vital tempo: both players will end up queening at the same time. Good stuff!
Apr-16-19
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  ChessHigherCat: If black plays Ke6??, white can queen pretty easily but the problem is that black can trade queens and win with the surviving pawn. For example:

46...Ke6 47. Ke4 a5 48. f5+ Kf7 49. Kd5 a4 50. Kd6 a3 51. Kd7 a2 52. e6+ Kf6 53. e7 a1=Q 54. e8=Q Qa4+


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Apr-16-19  areknames: <ChessHigherCat> In your line above though White shouldn't play 51.Kd7 but rather 51.e6+, which draws.
Apr-16-19  areknames: White can only draw if he queens first, which he can do after 51.e6+ above.
Apr-16-19
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  ChessHigherCat: <areknames>: I said I was terrible at endgame studies! So 46...Ke6 must be the answer to <JfP>'s question, as you pointed out.
Apr-16-19  The Kingfish: <ChessHigherCat: <areknames>: I said I was terrible at endgame studies! So 46...Ke6 must be the answer to <JfP>'s question, as you pointed out.>

Good answer!

You are obviously a well cultured, well traveled, well education man.

Apr-16-19
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  ChessHigherCat: < The Kingfish: <ChessHigherCat: <areknames>: I said I was terrible at endgame studies! So 46...Ke6 must be the answer to <JfP>'s question, as you pointed out.>

<Good answer!>

<You are obviously a well cultured, well traveled, <well education man.>

Thank you, I try to be <well education>.

Anyway, I guessed Ke6 at the same time as <areknames> but he, being a better player, found the drawing line. So sue me (whoops, suing me would require you to have mental competence...)

Apr-16-19  SpamIAm: Wondering why Suba preferred 33.Ba6 to 33.Qxa7.
Apr-16-19
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  malt: Clocked this game before,
45...R:d3+ 46.K:d3
but can't remember which pawn moved first.
Apr-16-19
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  ChessHigherCat: <SpamIAm> Because 33. Qxa7 allows Rg8/Rg1+ and is therefore <diabolically> inferior: <-6.66>!!!
Apr-16-19  rudiment: Simples. Get the minor pieces off and White's King will have too much to do.
Apr-16-19  zb2cr: Found this one quickly, because in endgames where I am up by the exchange, I'm always looking to give ity back at the right moment.
Apr-16-19
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  whiteshark: elementary simple
<areknames: <Jimfromprovidence> Good stuff!> Indeed!
Apr-16-19  PJs Studio: Iím a junky for simplification. Whether Rxd3 was right or not it was the first thing I considered.
Apr-16-19
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  HeMateMe: Easy wins are the best wins.
Apr-16-19
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  wood n tempo: After a bit of calculation I realized that the black king could merely sit tight in his blockade, while the white king simply couldn't be two places at once. So, yes, rook for bishop is a fine idea.
Apr-16-19  goodevans: Playing through the game it immediately struck me as odd for white to abandon his a-pawn with <39.Kd2>. <39.Kb2> would have given black more of a challenge.
Apr-16-19  Pedro Fernandez: <<Jimfromprovidence>: After the text 46 Kxd3, below, <find a move> that does not win for black, if any.> It is understood that: "find a <white> move".
Apr-16-19
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  whiteshark: btw Megabase has <47.f5 a4> as final moves.
Apr-16-19  SpamIAm: <goodevans>, Suba probably feared that his king would be permanently cut off from the c-file and thus his center pawns. After 39.Kb2 Kf6 white would have to leave his king at b2 since 40.Kb1 allows 40...Rc3 winning a pawn and 40.Kb3 allows the undesirable 40...Rc1 followed by 41...Re1 (or 41...Rf1 if white plays 42.e4). White would have to pretty much make tempo moves with his bishop, would've been interesting to see.
Apr-16-19  Patzer Natmas: Wow, great simple endgame : decoy and tempo.
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