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|Nov-06-07|| ||griga262: My first comment ever on this board: This was probably the easiest puzzle I've seen on this site in a couple of years. Maybe it's because my brain works only in straight lines, but over the board that would be the first thing I would see.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||micartouse: I found the exact solution <An Englishman> posted which is good enough, but I wish I saw the move 31. Rg8+! instead since it's mate.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||znprdx: addendum:<dzechiel: I would have to rank this one easier than yesterday's (Steinitz vs J Minckwitz, 1870)> I am a bit surprised - you are usually more lucid - <griga262:.. This was probably the easiest puzzle I've seen on this site in a couple of years.> Isn't this a bit of a stretch? There have surely been dozens and dozens of no-brainers with absolutely no potential for error there whereas today's could easily go wrong for the reasons I cited in my earler post. I would cautiously add that I presume Black was surely a minor master at best: 7...c6 just can't be good and 8..a5 along with the cutesy knight manouver (which never seems to work by the way) 16...dxe5? No! at least b5 despite giving up a pawn might have led to some hope of counterplay. 18...Qc7? The last chance to get into the game was probably Nx[N]c5. 21... gxh5 was pathetic - at least f5 might have eventually led to an endgame with some hope of finding a resource to survive. White's brilliant leaving the Knight <en prise> for 6 moves after 23...f6 must have cracked Black's resolve. My analysis is only tentative however - I just thought Black lost the plot completely.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||zb2cr: What an overwhelming lineup on the King Knight file for White. The first move (30. Rg7+) was easy, as Black cannot take without being mated. The only question was what to do next after 30. ... Kh8. |
all look promising. The key point is to remove or block Black's white-squared Bishop, and the easiest way is 31. Rg8+.
|Nov-06-07|| ||whiteshark: <Ujtelky> was Mr.g6/e6, sometimes playing it as Hippopotamus sometimes more 'Frenchie' with d5. Interesting though. :D|
|Nov-06-07|| ||griga262: <znprdx: ... Isn't this a bit of a stretch?> Probably. However, I was primarily talking about myself. Since I am not an advanced player, I am always happy when a solution just "jumps out" at me right away.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||dakgootje: The 'problem' with 31. Ng6 found as solution by several people around here is mainly that black can prolong the game and escape mate for like... 10-15 half-moves or something.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||TheaN: 2/2
30.Rg7+ exploits the g-file.
30.Rg7+ Kh8 (Bxg7 31.Qxg7#) 31.Rg8+ Kh7 (Bxg8 32.Qxg8#) 32.Qg7+ Bxg7 33.R1xg7#.
|Nov-06-07|| ||dzechiel: <znprdx: addendum:<dzechiel: I would have to rank this one easier than yesterday's (Steinitz vs J Minckwitz, 1870)> I am a bit surprised - you are usually more lucid>|
It's true that we have seen two move checkmates on Mondays past, and in a sense a two move mate is "easier" than a four move mate.
But the reason I consider this one so very easy is because the moves are both forced and obvious. I think even a beginner would tumble onto this combination very quickly.
Many of the two movers we have seen in the past have a key move that is tricky or difficult to find. Not the case here with the R-Q-R battery on the g-file pointing the way.
|Nov-06-07|| ||kevin86: I played the lesser second move of Ng6+. Black can save the mate,but lose the queen after Qxg6---and in fact will be mated soonest at g7,g8,or h7-depending on his next turn.|
31 ♘g6+ ♕xg6 32 ♕xg6
|Nov-06-07|| ||alphee: <Marmot PFL> I love the way you put it! Definitly one of the best posting I've seen :-)|
|Nov-06-07|| ||Magic Castle: <dakgootje> The solution takes 33 moves by white to mate. 31. Rg8 Kh7
32. Qg8 BxQ 33. RxB mate. The suggested 31. Ng6+ QxN 32. QxQ (Threatening
33. Qh7 mate) So. BxR 33. QxB mate. Now if 31...KxR 32. NxB+ (discovered check...QxB or Kf7 33. Qg6 mate. So the difference is, the solution is nicer because of a queen sacrifice.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||dakgootje: <Magic Castle> Of course it doesn't. How often does one claim a certain variation takes 10-15 halfmoves while not having the slightest check?|
Let's begin easy: <30. Rg7+ Kh8> Nothing interesting yet for the alternative solution starts only after <31. Ng6+>
<31. ...Kxg7 32. Nxf7+> As you already noted yourself aswell.
<32. ...Qg6> There it is, the move black uses to prolong the game. <everyone> claiming to have solved the puzzle using <Ng6> should've found this move AND correctly decided white should win aswell.
So there you are Magic Castle, show me how white can mate on move 33 after 32. ...Qg6.
|Nov-06-07|| ||alphee: <znprdx:> <I presume Black was surely a minor master at best: > From chessbase we get: Ujtelky Maximilien, Tschechenia, 1915-1979, IM, 2260 (09.1993)|
|Nov-06-07|| ||YouRang: <znprdx:> <I presume Black was surely a minor master at best: >|
As <alphee> points out, he was an IM (International Master), which is lower than a GM (Grand Master), but higher than an FM (FIDE Master).
So, you can call him a "minor master" if you like, but he's at least a "major minor master".
|Nov-06-07|| ||Crowaholic: <YouRang: One is tempted to go for the slower, more sadistic line>|
Usually I'm not but I have to confess that today I am. If Black plays 34. ..Bf7 in the line you gave, I'd suggest the following continuation:
35. Qxd6+ Ke8 36. Re1+ Be6 37. Rxe6+ Kf7 38. Qe7+ Kg8 39. Rg6+ Kh8 40. Qxb7!! (the two exclamation marks are well-deserved as this move is much more sadistic than the immediate Qg7#) Rg8 41. Rxc6 Rg7 42. Rc8+ Kh7 43. Qd5! (an interesting case of rook Zugzwang) Rg4 44. Qxf5+ Rg6 45. hxg6+!! (see above) Kg7 46. Rc7+ Kg8 47. Qf7+ Kh8 48. g7+ Kh7 49. Qf5+ Kg8 50. Qxa5 h5! (Black's only consolation is to be slightly sadistic himself) 51. Qd5+ Kh7 52. b4!! with the sadistic idea of avoiding mate until all of the White pawns have queened.
|Nov-06-07|| ||eblunt: <Intrepid Spiff: Isn't 30.Rg8 even more forcing? >|
Yes - forcing an easy win for black with 30 ..... ♕h5+ 31 ♔g2 ♗xg8
|Nov-06-07|| ||Zxookazoid7: This game should have been saved for a monday it was EASY|
|Nov-06-07|| ||baseballplayer: 30.Rg7+ was obvious. I was surprised that this was even a puzzle.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||YouRang: <Crowaholic> Ah, I see that you are an SM (Sadistic Master).|
I could suggest only a *slight* improvement (as a matter of style) after 44...Rg6 (diagram):
click for larger view
Here, instead of the immediate 45. hxg6!!, we slip in 45. Qf7+ Rg7 46. Qf5+ Rg6, giving black a glimmer of hope that we might draw by repitition -- but THEN hit with 47. hxg6!!! and proceed as planned.
Sadistic chess is always more delicious when your opponent thinks he has something to live for. Bwa-ha-ha!
|Nov-06-07|| ||znprdx: <dzechiel:....I think even a beginner would tumble onto this combination very quickly.> Well in this day and age I suppose even a "beginner" has been exposed to exponentially more chess positions due to the internet...but after 40 years of teaching chess I'm fairly certain that many a C player under the specific conditions as those I out-lined would blow it - even though ultimately they might win - sorry for being so insistent:) nevertheless I remain surprised by your conviction.|
|Nov-06-07|| ||patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, White mates in four after 30. Rg7+! See <TheaN>'s post for the details.|
|Nov-07-07|| ||patzer2: The most instructive move in this mating attack is 24. Rg1!!, when White ignores the attack on his Knight and initiates a winning attack down the g-file.|
If Black takes the enprise Knight, play might continue 23...fxe5 24. fxe5 Rd7 25. Rxg7+! Kxg7 26. Qf6+ when mate-in-three follows.
|Nov-08-07|| ||alphee: <YouRang:> <Crowaholic> I liked the variations. Thanks, it was fun and gives some ideas. May be the puzzle was not about finding the first 2 moves but looking at what came next ...|
|Nov-16-07|| ||zealouspawn: as a C player (who doesn't play many tourneys and plays more like a B player, but that's beside the point) I can say I was just looking over this game and saw the game continuation in a couple seconds, I would be shocked if a C player missed this OTB unless he was REALLY low on time.|
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