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|Nov-22-02|| ||drukenknight: Good now we are friends again.
Well move 26 is certainly, shall we say, controversial? we can leave it at that.
What about before move 26. Which of whites moves shocked you the most? move 22 or 24?
|Nov-22-02|| ||Honza Cervenka: I tried to play as white the position after 26...Bc4!? with a computer and I beat him quickly without any problems: 27.Bxg5 Bxf1 28.Kxf1 f6 29.Bd2 Rab8 30.Ke2 Rgd8 31.Rxd8+ Rxd8 32.Be3 Rb8 33.a4 Kg8 34.c4 Kf7 35.c5 b5 36.axb5 axb5 37.Kd3 Rd8+ 38.Kc3 Rd1 39.c6 Rd6 40.Na5 Ke8 41.Kb4 Rd1 42.Kxb5 Rb1+ 43.Kc5 Kd8 44.Nc4 Rd1 45.Nb6 h6 46.Nd5 h5 47.Kd6 Kc8 48.c4 h4 49.c7 1-0 (White threatens to play 50.Kc6 and 51.Ne7#) |
|Nov-23-02|| ||drukenknight: yes but Honza look what your computer did as black, first it gave up material (2 minors vs R) then it decides to trade rooks. why not:
27.Bxg5 Bxf1 28. Kxf1 f6 29. Bd2 R(g)b8 |
I think that computers moves are questionable since at move 26 material is equal, then he trades down, then he exchanges? exchanging material when behind in material is open to question, even for a computer.
Note for the record: we have three computers w/ three different results for move 29: Bc1; Bd2 or BxP
My ridiculed line actual keeps material equality:
Put this one in your computer: 26...Nh3!? 27 gxh3 R(g)d8 28 Bh4 Bc4 29 Rd1 b5
Id be curious as to what happens since it presents a challenge to my pawn theories; does one N = 3 connected pawns?.
|Nov-23-02|| ||Vilkacis: > What about before move 26. Which of whites moves shocked you the most? move 22 or 24?>|
White's 21. Be4 (perhaps hoping for 21...Nxe4 22. Rxh7 ch) and 23. Be7 seem like good moves to me. But what if black had played 23...b5 24. Rf2 Qb6 25. Qh4 h6 26. Bxf6 Qxf6 27. Qxf6 gxf6 28. Rxh6 ch Would that have led to a drawn ending?
|Nov-24-02|| ||Honza Cervenka: DK, 1) My computer did not give up 2 minor pieces for rook as the starting position was that after 26...Bc4. In fact he would play Suetin's 26...Bxb3 instead of 26...Bc4.|
2) 29. Bd2 was not move played nor suggested by computer, it was my move.
3) Trading of rooks is quite understandable as white rook on d6 is very unpleasant. After 29...Rgb8 both black rooks are absolutely inactive and white can strenghten the pressure on black position without difficulties. [Not to mention that trading of rooks is quite understandable also in the light of your own theory. See the isolated a-pawn and isolated doubled c-pawn. Is not black in fact in a material advantage?:-)]
4) 26...Nh3+ 27.gxh3 Rge8 (I think it is that what you mean by Rgd8) 28. Rxd5 gives up whole piece for nothing.
|Nov-24-02|| ||morphynoman2: I wanna show the beauty of 23. Be7!! Qxe7 24. Rxh7! |
|Nov-24-02|| ||drukenknight: I am confused, HC, you just said: |
"My computer did not give up 2 minor pieces for rook as the starting position was that after 26...Bc4.
but before you said:
"I tried to play as white the position after 26...Bc4!? with a computer and I beat him quickly without any problems..27.Bxg5 Bxf1 28.Kxf1 ."
the computer was black, the computer traded 2 minors for the R. Yes?
"Not to mention that trading of rooks is quite understandable also in the light of your own theory. See the isolated a-pawn and isolated doubled c-pawn. Is not black in fact in a material advantage?"
You may be right, I may have messed up the line. Let me try again, see below.
"26...Nh3+ 27.gxh3 Rge8 (I think it is that what you mean by Rgd8) 28. Rxd5 gives up whole piece for nothing. "
I messed this up typing. 26...Nh3+ 27. gxh3 Bc4
is what I meant.
Does that make any sense?
|Nov-24-02|| ||drukenknight: "I wanna show the beauty of 23. Be7!! Qxe7 24. Rxh7!"|
Yes Morph, it's pretty neat. DO you see the other mate involving Bxf6?
|Nov-25-02|| ||Cyphelium: I'm happy to see that the move 29.Bd2 has found another supporter in HonzaCervenka. |
(I suggested it 4 days ago, but noone seemed to be interested ;-))
|Nov-25-02|| ||Honza Cervenka: After 26...Bc4 is that trading of 2 minor pieces for rook simply forced. Computer had no option there and that is what I meant in previous comment.|
After 26...Nh3+ 27.gxh3 Bc4 28.Rfd1 black is also a piece down.
|Nov-25-02|| ||AgentRgent: Cyphelium: I tried looking at 29. Bd2 but got busy with Non-chess things.. What I did see suggests that it is likely better than 29. Bc1. |
|Oct-27-09|| ||ToTheDeath: A tactical gem. 23...Qxe7 of course loses to 24.Rxh7+. Spassky was a beast.|
|May-27-10|| ||Phony Benoni: The misadventures of Black's knight remind me of this game: Reshevsky vs G Treysman, 1938|
|May-27-10|| ||Once: My advice? Ignore the kibbitzing and enjoy the game.|
|May-27-10|| ||TheBish: What a great game! I especially enjoyed 23. Be7!! and 24. Rh6!!, even though it only leads to a winning endgame!|
|May-27-10|| ||kingfu: Come on guys. Material gains in chess? I thought we were here for sacrificing material for positional beauty.|
Boris Spassky is alive (as opposed to RJF) and well in the South of France.
Spaseba Boris for another great game. I am coming for bouillabaise and The Four Knights!
I hear Nice is nice this time of year.
|May-27-10|| ||ounos: Numerous little tactics by Spassky make this game a joy to watch: 14. Rg3 (dxe4 Bh6), 21. Be4, 23. Be7, 24. Rh6, 34. Bd6 (perhaps obvious but still nice), 46. Be5! (Nf7 Rxe6+ and mate!), and 59. Rg1, quickly wrapping up.|
|May-27-10|| ||newzild: A really sweet little tactical gem. White's moves 21-24 are just brilliant, even if the tactics aren't that deep.|
|May-27-10|| ||desiobu: 23. Be7! is indeed brilliant.|
|May-27-10|| ||kevin86: Spassky gains two pawns with his sharp play and wins easily.|
|May-27-10|| ||bengalcat47: The pun for today is based on an American police-detective TV show from the late 70's, Starsky and Hutch.
These two were complete opposites, much like the Odd Couple. By the way the city of Nice, France, is pronounced the same as niece.|
|May-27-10|| ||Dr. J: White's handling of moves 55-58 is instructive, but it's not the only way to win: 55 Rc2 is zugzwang, the main line being 55 ... Rg7 56 Kf4 Rf7+ 57 Ke5 Re7+ 58 Kf5 Rf7+ 59 Kg6 and the g-pawn advances.|
|May-28-10|| ||RandomVisitor: After 14.Rg3:
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<[-1.27] d=22 14...dxe4> 15.Bg5 Qb6+ 16.Kh1 Ne7 17.Bxf6 Nxf5 18.Rg4
[-1.05] d=21 14...Ne7 15.exd5
|May-28-10|| ||RandomVisitor: After 21.Be4:
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[-0.61] d=15 21...Nf4 22.Rxf4 exf4 23.Bd4 Bb7 24.Bxb7 Qxb7 25.Qh4 Qd5 26.Bxf6
|May-29-10|| ||arnaud1959: Great play by Spassky but incredibly accurate and stubborn defence by black.|
This is a typical Spassky game. Initiative, threats, tactics in the middle game but at the end we simply have a winning endgame.
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