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Sep-01-10
 | | OhioChessFan: I think Khan is beyond boring. Someone else suggested 33. Bg4, but I think 33. g6 and the game would have ended 20 moves earlier. |
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Mar-02-11
 | | Ulhumbrus: 52 Rg1 prevents ..Qg2 and given that the move 52..Bc8 allows the invasion 53 Rc6, this suggests that on 52 Rg1 Black is in zugzwang. |
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| Feb-16-12 | | BlackSheep: It was one hell of a grind but he got there in the end , I think its a bit unfair to call Khan "beyond boring" though , I like a good swashbuckle as much as the next man/woman but thats easier said than done against someone like Capa . |
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| Feb-16-12 | | Penguincw: Khan must be happy to be one of the few people with a plus record against Capablanca. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | Cibator: Though theoretically a lesser being, a Mir Sultan Khan still overcome a chess god every now and then. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | FSR: <Cibator: Though theoretically a lesser being, a Mir Sultan Khan still overcome a chess god every now and then.> There is only one Mir Sultan Khan. Had he been born in different circumstances, he would be recognized as a chess god himself. He was an Indian manservant who could not read or write. He grew up playing Indian chess rather than our chess. In an international chess career of less than five years (1929–33), he won the British Championship three times in four tries (1929, 1932, 1933), and had tournament and match results that placed him among the top ten players in the world. Capablanca called him a genius. Hooper and Whyld call him "perhaps the greatest natural player of modern times." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Su... |
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| Jun-15-12 | | Cibator: <FSR> My dear chap, I do know a thing or two about Sultan Khan (I've actually contributed to this thread, and one or two others as well), so it wasn't really necessary for you to post that screed. The intention of my own comment was simply to share what I thought might be an amusing triple word-play, not to denigrate the player concerned. |
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Jun-15-12
| | FSR: <Cibator> Nice wordplay, actually. It was lost on me the first time I read it. Sorry for the screed. :-) |
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| Sep-18-12 | | wildrookie: Did Khan win it on time? |
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| Sep-19-12 | | Llawdogg: Roaddog, thanks for the link! |
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Sep-29-12
 | | Conrad93: 33. g6! is definitely winning according to Houdini.
click for larger view[Event "Hastings ENG"]
[Site "Hastings ENG"]
[Date "1930.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mir Sultan Khan"]
[Black "Jose Raul Capablanca"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E12"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN " 
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[PlyCount "29"]
[EventDate "1930.??.??"]
33. g6 hxg6 34. Rxg6 Bc6 35. Bd1 Qb5 36. h5 Qf1 37. Be2 Qa1 38. Rxc6 Qxa3 39.
h6 Qxb4+ 40. Rc3 gxh6 41. Rxh6 Qb2+ 3.56/13 1 42. Rc2 Qb4+ 3.56/13 1 43.
Kd1 Qb1+ 4.04/12 2 44. Rc1 Qb3+ 4.23/12 1 45. Ke1 Qb2 4.23/12 1 46. Rd1
a5 4.43/10 2 47. Bh5 1-0
click for larger viewThe resulting position is an absolute win. |
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| Jan-12-13 | | talsqueen: The only piece Black is pushing around is his Queen. Khan set up a slow and unhappy death for Capablanca! |
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Jan-31-13
 | | notyetagm: Sultan Khan vs Capablanca, 1930 |
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| May-20-13 | | RookFile: After 19...Rfc8, it seems amazing that it will be white that ends up dominating the c file. |
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May-20-13
 | | Gilmoy: Not so amazing, given that White had one free move after <18..Rc6> to pick a plan, and he deliberately chose not to immediately balance rooks on c (and probably trade them all off). <19.g4> is an invitation for Black to double, i.e. White has already seen a way to defuse it later. So maybe the coffeehouse maxim was lulled (or lured) by a more profound concept. In "compensation" (actually White comes out ahead, so he'd want to do this regardless), White gets <20.g5> squeezing the life out of Black's N, and offers Q for R+R. Actually Black was brave to accept the imbalance, as it's not clear where he'll recover his "pawn" (in value). RR beats Q when the RR + stuff interlock coverage, as they do here. <30.b4!> was another positional clamp: threatens nothing immediate, but occupies space, takes options away, and leaves Black's Q with nothing to do. |
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| May-20-13 | | RookFile: Never thought of Capa as a coffehouse player. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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May-20-13
 | | andrewjsacks: Capa's 11th move, perhaps played too quickly, is an incredibly uncharacteristic oversight. |
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May-20-13
| | andrewjsacks: This game features the two most naturally talented players of all time, I'd say. Wanna fight, Morphy? Sammy? Anyone else? |
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May-20-13
 | | perfidious: <andrew>: Come to Mir Sultan Khan's life and career, Whittier's view seems a propos: 'For of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been".' |
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May-20-13
 | | keypusher: <andrewsjacks> OK, I'll bite. We don't have a clue who the most naturally talented chessplayer of all time is. Anyway, who cares? Almost certainly, the person with the most natural talent for the game never learned the moves, or got interested in something else. Viz kanatahodets(?) discussing various mathematicians. Why is Reshevsky more talented than Fischer? Because he was better at age seven? Because he (allegedly) didn't study openings? Lasker could take a decade off, come back in his mid-sixties and be world-class. Why isn't he the most talented? Why isn't Carlsen the most talented? Because of computers? Why not Kasparov? Because of the USSR? So anyone born (i) after, say, 1980 (ii) in the Soviet Union is ruled out? That doesn't make much sense. The whole exercise is silly. Sultan Khan and Capablanca were very talented. Not much more you can say. |
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May-20-13
| | andrewjsacks: <keypusher> If "the whole exercise is silly," I suggest you tell that to all of those who have called Mozart the most naturally gifted composer and the scores of others, many noted Grandmasters, who have called Capablanca the most naturally talented chess player. |
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May-20-13
| | keypusher: <andrewjsacks: <keypusher> If "the whole exercise is silly," I suggest you tell that to all of those who have called Mozart the most naturally gifted composer and the scores of others, many noted Grandmasters, who have called Capablanca the most naturally talented chess player.> Very well. For the reasons stated, mutatis mutandis, <all of those who have called Mozart the most naturally gifted composer>: You're silly. <the scores of others, many noted Grandmasters, who have called Capablanca the most naturally talented chess player>: You're silly. |
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| May-20-13 | | RookFile: One way to think about this is to consider that Capa beat his Dad when he was 4 years old, without even being taught the rules. I'm unaware of anybody else who has ever done that. So, I would make a case that Capa was the strongest 4 year old player in recorded chess history. |
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| May-21-13 | | ughaibu: If you recall, the full story relates that Capablanca corrected his father (or maybe his opponent) for moving a knight like a bishop, so beating him was probably pretty easy. This is assuming that his dad didn't lose on purpose to encourage him. By the way, how many games, over how many years, did it take Capablanca to pick up the rules? |
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May-21-13
 | | govind: Sultan khan beat capa and rubenstien both in one event. I remember seeing those games.they are in different style from modern open games.a grinding effort.perhaps that was characteristic of old Indian style. |
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