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|Oct-25-10|| ||scormus: <Patriot> yes youre right, it is curious. And embarrasing too. What's worse it spoils the amusing point I wanted to make. Being philosophical, I'd suppose the arrangement of N, p and Q on the c file was a strong pattern-recogninition trigger. Hence the blind spot?|
I cant even claim full credit for the puzzle :(
|Oct-25-10|| ||kevin86: The sharp sacrificial move was out today. Today,it is the knight hunt that wins---back it up a move and the theme is the same. The first knight blocked the second's escape.|
|Oct-25-10|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 18.f4.
The ♘ on e5 has no retreat squares. (Ouch!)
|Oct-25-10|| ||chessgolfer: 18) f4 wins the Knight and leaves Black with no effective counter play.|
Never under estimate the power of the foot soldier.
|Oct-25-10|| ||jackpawn: Like practically everybody else I at first looked for a Queen sac or some other immediate shot. Nothing. I was getting embarrassed. C'mon, I normally find Mondays in a second. Then the move f4 jumped out at me. Too conditioned by the days!|
|Oct-25-10|| ||David2009: Sultan Khan vs G A Thomas, 1932 White 18?|
I was thinking "Sooner or later, a Monday puzzle will beat me - and is this the Monday?" when I spotted
18 f4 and the check on the a7-g1 diagonal is harmless: so White wins N for P.
Time to check:
Yes. Crafty End Game Trainer check of the puzzle position:
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(Sultan Khan vs G A Thomas, 1932 18?)
It is harder to win than it looks. Good luck! I have scored two draws and a loss in a Bishop vs passed Pawns ending.
It is vey interesting to see the resources that a good player can find in a lost position. I suspect that I am having the kind of experience many nineteenth-century players had when given odds of a Knight by a master - except that I usually start from much more favourable intitial positions.
<agb2002> commenting last Thursday 21 October (Y Quezada vs A Graf, 2008): <I have the impression that Crafty EGT played too fast and that's a bad idea even for a machine.> I have the opposite impression. I play far too fast against Crafty EGT. If I played slower I would get more out of the positions and the opportunity. But that's my problem.
|Oct-25-10|| ||Justawoodpusher: Took me much to long to see this, even when I trapped a rook in a game for my team yesterday...|
|Oct-25-10|| ||MaczynskiPratten: A Knight loses his Knight!
It looks as if Sir George Thomas as Black suffered the same visualisation problem that many of us did from the White side - you don't expect a Knight in the middle of the board to be totally devoid of escape squares (and it's hard to spot that your move 17...Nfd7 blocks off the last one!)
|Oct-25-10|| ||Once: I'm thinking of branching out into modern art. Here's my first creation (which also incorporates a mini puzzle): |
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I call it "whatever happened to 1, 5 and 7?"
|Oct-25-10|| ||bengalcat47: You could call this capturing a knight in broad daylight!|
|Oct-25-10|| ||gawain: I didn't see it. I was looking for something more spectacular, and couldn't stop thinking about 18 Nd5 or Nb5, but then?... Nothing.|
Some good commentary from members on this. I'm glad I was not completely alone in having the blind spot about the black knight being trapped.
|Oct-25-10|| ||fm avari viraf: Traping the dosing Knight with f4!|
|Oct-25-10|| ||Eggman: <Whiteshark> It is worth pointing out that in your first diagram the Knight, depending on other considerations in the position, would often be dominating the Bishop - not taking away every square, of course, but greatly restricting the Bishop's movement and preventing it from redeploying, while the Knight at the same time enjoys a most effective outpost.|
|Oct-25-10|| ||pferd: I'm sure that the database contains many G.A.Thomas wins, but it's his losses that make him famous.|
Consider Capablanca vs G A Thomas, 1919
Menchik vs G A Thomas, 1932
Ed Lasker vs G A Thomas, 1912
|Oct-25-10|| ||cyclon: 18. f4.|
|Oct-25-10|| ||wals: Not 17...Nfd7 but Ned7 or h6 and Black
Analysis by Rybka 4 x64:depth 21: time
6 min :
1. = (0.06): 17...h6 18.Rd1 Ned7 19.Rfe1 Rad8 20.Bf1 Rxe1 21.Rxe1 Bh2+ 22.Kh1 Bf4 23.Bxf4 Qxf4 24.g3 Qc7 25.Kg1 Nb6 26.b4 Qd7 27.Rd1 Qe8
2. = (0.06): 17...Ned7 18.Rd1 h6 19.Rfe1 Rad8 20.Bf1 Rxe1 21.Rxe1 Bh2+ 22.Kh1 Bf4 23.Bxf4 Qxf4 24.g3 Qc7 25.Kg1 Nb6 26.b4 Qd7 27.Rd1 Qe8
|Oct-25-10|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: <David2009><... It is harder to win than it looks. Good luck! I have scored two draws and a loss ...>|
I'm feeling your pain, twice over.
|Oct-25-10|| ||turbo231: I was about to give up when i thought, does that knight have a safe place to go if i check him with f4!|
|Oct-25-10|| ||turbo231: < Once > I think you have created a new word "laydeez". I think you live in England so it's 12:30am there and you might be asleep. I'll check back with you tomorrow to see if <Laydeez> is new word......something about Tiger who!|
|Oct-25-10|| ||redorc19: i got it pretty soon...|
|Oct-25-10|| ||turbo231: .Bromwell High is an animated series about a British high school in South London. First Aired: 8 March 2005 It's Valentine's Day at Bromwell High but Natella has persuaded our < laydeez > to give it a miss this year on the basis that it is a meaningless market event created by greeting card companies to boost sales figures.|
Well <Once> didn't create a new word. It seems to be a word used in Britain.
|Oct-25-10|| ||cjgone: Took a bit of time. One of those harder to find one movers.|
|Oct-25-10|| ||TheBish: Sultan Khan vs G A Thomas, 1932|
White to play (18.?) "Very Easy"
Going to try to get as many of these this week as possible, until the World Series takes over!
GO GIANTS!!! Had it won in 2002 (in game 6), but gave it away to the Angels - who I wanted to win the AL pennant, but lose to my Giants!
18. f4! wins the e5 knight, which is stuck in the middle of the board without a retreat square.
|Oct-26-10|| ||kevin86: The knight is trapped and lost:by the way,what does a Cavalier-aka knight-become when it is no longer a cavalier. |
|Oct-27-10|| ||whiteshark: <Eggman: <It is worth pointing out that in your first diagram the Knight, depending on other considerations in the position, would often be dominating the Bishop - not taking away every square, of course, but greatly restricting the Bishop's movement and preventing it from redeploying, while the Knight at the same time enjoys a most effective outpost.<>>> |
Right! It could be so or the other way round, depending on the specific position. A generalisation can't be more than an intro.
Nice avtaar, btw. :D
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