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Jun-06-05
 | | IMlday: A good instructive position after 7.Nd1. Who would think of 7..Rb8!? ? Likewise 11..h5!? |
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Jun-06-05
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: After the game boiled down to 2Kn vs B & 3P on move 56, I wondered how long it would take Black to force ...g4, the key move. I didn't think it would take another 47 moves. As for 11...h5, I used to play it much earlier, during dozens of skittles games in college with a friend of mine who was fond of the Be3 lines. I played ...h5 as early as move 6. Sometimes, I would even skip ...Bg7 until after ...h7-h5 and play ...Bf8-h6. We were both 1900+ USCF, and we were both teetotalers who shunned drugs, so I can't say I had any good excuse for my play. Except I usually won. |
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Jun-06-05
| | IMlday: re: N vs 3 pawns. I suspect it depends on which pawns. The N is more mobile vs center pawns than wing pawns. I've only had it once but it was adjourned so I got to study it carefully. Fine, the authority at that time, claimed draw but it looked winning to me.
L Piasetski vs L Day, 1981 |
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Jun-06-05
 | | Gypsy: <IMlday> How did the name <rat> came about? Is it <11...h5> or <11...h4> that we are talking about? As for the endgame, here is the completion (I tried to be too cute and swapped moves about in my previous post) : <66...Ke5(!) 67.Nxc6+ Kxd6 68.Nd4 Ke5> (68...g4? 69.Nf5+ =) <69.Nf3+ Kf5 70.Nd4+ Kg4> (the key trick is 70.Kg2 g4! 71.Nxh4+ Kg5 and the knight falls) <71.Kg2 h3+(!)> (71.Nf3 Kh5 and 72...g4) <72.Kf2 Kh5 73.Kf3 Kg5> (Black still needs to make slow progress: 73...g4+? 74.Kxf4 h2 75.Ne2 =) <74.Ne2 Kf6> and White is out of saving moves; he can afford neither 75.Ng1 h2 nor 75.Kg4 h2. Thus <75.Nd4 g4+!> where Black finally succeded to play g4 win (76.Kxg4 h2 77.Kxf4 h1Q). It is all rather difficult tempo work, but the win seems to be all there.
There are good practical chances for White, however; besides various knight forks, it is quite easy to fall into the fortress position W={♔f3; ♘h2}; B={♔f5; ♙f4,g5,h3},
where White just shuffles Nh2-g4-h2-g4... and Black can not make further progress. |
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Jun-06-05
| | IMlday: Rat name, (accordian Suttles 1964) because it hides in dark places and is at its most ferocious
when cornered. :-) |
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| Jun-07-05 | | fgh: White's final blunder seems to be 99. Ne5. If he would keep the strategic contact between the h2 knight, the other knight on f2, f6 or even h6, controling the g4 square, and the king on f3, not allowing the black to take the knight on g4 and avoiding a penetration by the black king thrue the g3 square, the game should be a draw. Now I will ask: Did someone understand my post? |
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Jun-08-05
| | Gypsy: <fgh: ...Did someone understand my post?> The post is clear. But I do not think White realy had a way to hold the correspondence. Had his king been able to triangulate between f3, e2, and f2, then 99.Ne5 would have held. Alas, e2 is off limits to White king as 99.Ne5 Bc2 and 100.Ke2 allows Black king to penetrate by 100...Kg3. Thus White king is restricted to the f2 and f3 squares only, while the Black bishop can choose the right time for steping onto h5 or d1 with decisive effects. I think that Hecht made no mistakes in the endgame, there was simply no way of holding it (unless Black slipped up). On the move 99, White was fairly close to having a fortress, but he could not keep a permanent watch schedule over all of its entrancess. |
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| Jun-12-05 | | fgh: <Gypsy>: Neither the bishop invasion thrue d1 or h5 seem to be winning. |
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| Jun-12-05 | | fgh: <Gypsy>: Take for example the following line: 99. Nf2 (avoids the d1 invasion) Be6 100. Ng4 Bd5+ 101. Kf2 Be6 102. Kf3 and black still can't break thrue. The h5 idea has similar defensive lines for white. |
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Jun-12-05
| | Gypsy: <fgh> I was thinking of something along the lines of <99.Nf2 Bg6>, where White is in zugzwang: Either (i) 100.N(either)g4 Bh5 where Black wins the g4-knight; or (ii) 100.Ke2 Kg3; or (iii) 100.Nf1 Bh4+ 101.Ke4 Be2 102.Nd2 Kg3 ... |
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| Oct-07-05 | | Chess Addict: Wow, the Hypermodern Suttles is playing like Karpov on the endgame! |
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| Jul-18-08 | | whiteshark: <91.Nd4=>
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Aug-09-12
 | | GrahamClayton: <drukenknight>Hmmm, 102 ♘xf4? <drukenknight>,
I think Suttles would have won after
102. ♘xf4 gxf4 103. ♘f3+ ♗xf3 104.
♔xf3 h2 105. ♔g2 ♔g4 106. ♔xh2 f3 107. ♔g1 ♔g3 108. ♔f1 f2 109. ♔e2 ♔g2 and the pawn queens. |
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| May-17-22 | | Brenin: A rather unsubtle pun. |
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| May-17-22 | | Honey Blend: White still had counterplay with 55. ♘f6 ♗xg2 56. ♘g4+ ♔g6 57. ♘f2, which defends h3 and g4.
click for larger viewShould be sufficient to hold the pawn storm off. |
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May-17-22
 | | HeMateMe: Hecht's boat had to be Scuttled!
White's endgame play stunk. He could have blockaded the pawn by covering c1 with a Knight and not giving up his kingside pawns. |
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May-17-22
 | | Honza Cervenka: 102.Kg1 seems to hold the game. 102...Kg3 gives nothing after 103.Nf2, and now 103...g4 104.Nd3! (threatening 105.Nf1+ Kf3 106.Ne5+ if black Bishop moves) 104...f3 105.Nf2 Kf4 (105...Kh4 106.Nfxg4! Bxg4 107.Kf2 =) 106.Nd3+ Ke3 107.Nf2, and now 107...g3 loses a Pawn after 108.Nf1+ Kf4 109.Nxh3+ =. Of course, black can play also 102...Be2 103.Nc5 or something else but I see no forced win for him there. |
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| May-17-22 | | spingo: In the opening, I think Suttles was trying anything - everything - to unbalance the position; Hecht was doing everything to keep control over the position. At the end the name title was appropriate: Hecht would wonder what happened?? Suttles showed huge will to win. Kudos! |
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| May-17-22 | | goodevans: <spingo: In the opening, I think Suttles was trying anything - everything - to unbalance the position; Hecht was doing everything to keep control over the position.> I agree and I can't help thinking that White let slip a very promising position. I'm not sure where he went wrong but I'd have been inclined to play <26.Bb4> rather than 26.Ba3 as the threat of 27.Ba5 Ncb6 28.c5 helps keep Black constrained. It certainly would have put the ...Nf6/h5/g3 manoeuvre on hold. <Honza Cervenka: 102.Kg1 seems to hold the game.> I don't see how Black makes progress after 102.Nf1 either. After holding out for so long, 102.Nf3 was an pretty careless move. <Brenin: A rather unsubtle pun.> Unlike that one. ;o) |
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| May-17-22 | | AlicesKnight: For me two interesting moments came at 52. ... Nxe4, with the piece for Ps exchange (setting up the next 50 moves), and the try 78.Ng3, attempting to narrow the pawn front. I have the impression that White varied when he could have more or less repeated, and held out by masterly inactivity, even though the B is the right colour and a knight cannot 'lose a move'. |
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May-17-22
| | Honza Cervenka: <goodevans: I don't see how Black makes progress after 102.Nf1 either.> 102.Nf1 Bg6 103.Ne5 Bf5 is a problem here, for example 104.Nf3+ Kh5 105.Nd4 Be4 106.Ne6 Bd5 107.Nd4 g4 etc. |
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| May-17-22 | | paavoh: @Brenin: < ...rather unsubtle pun.> I admit, it was one of my worst. Few of my ideas are in the genius category :-) |
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| May-17-22 | | TheaN: Honza's right, at the very end only 102.Kg1 draws... of course, 100+ moves in I can understand a slip up. It's the most logical move, but those are not always best in these kind of structures, here it is. |
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May-17-22
 | | Jarman: 25. Qc3 was just awful - White should have played 25. Rb1 +- |
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| May-17-22 | | whiteshark: <Jarman: ... White should have played 25. Rb1 +-> Puzzlewise that's for the end of the week
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White to move
1) +2.23 (39 ply) <25.Rb1 Nxc4 26.Bxc4 Rxb1+ 27.Kh2 Qxa5 28.Bxe6+ Kh7 29.Rxa5> Nd6 30.Ra2 Nb5 31.Bc4 Nd6 32.Ba6 Rb3 33.Rd2 Nb7 34.Rxd8 Nxd8 35.Nd3 g5 36.Bb4 Kg6 37.Bc4 Rb1 38.Nec1 c5 39.Bxc5 Nc6 40.Nb3 Bf6 41.Bd5 Ne7 42.Bxe7 Bxe7 43.Nxe5+ Kh7 44.Nc6 Bf8 45.Nbd4 Ra1 46.Ne6 2) +1.53 (39 ply) 25.Bb4 Re8 26.c5 Nd7 27.Qa4 Nb8 28.Ra5 Kh7 29.Ra1 Rd8 30.Be1 Qf7 31.Ra8 Rdd7 32.Qc2 Qe7 33.Qc1 Bf8 34.R1a5 Rd8 35.Bc4 Bxc4 36.Qxc4 Bg7 37.Nc1 Na7 38.Ra1 Rd4 39.Qc2 Nb5 40.Nb3 Rd8 41.Qc4 Nc7 42.R8a7 Rb5 43.Rxc7 Qxc7 44.Ba5 Rxa5 45.Nxa5 Qd7 46.Qb4 Qd4 47.Rb1 3) +1.35 (38 ply) 25.Qa3 Nd7 26.Bb4 Nb8 27.Ra5 Nd6 28.Ra8 Qd7 29.Rd1 Ne8 30.Nc3 Qf7 31.Na4 Nc7 32.Ra5 Nd7 33.Qc3 Bf6 34.Ba3 Kh7 35.Nc5 Nxc5 36.Bxc5 Bg7 37.Qc2 Bc8 38.Rb1 Ne6 39.Bb6 Re8 40.Ng4 c5 41.Qb2 Qd7 42.Bf1 Qe7 43.Qc1 Qg5 44.Bxc5 Rxb1 45.Qxb1 6.0 minute analysis by Stockfish 11 v064 |
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