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|Dec-29-06|| ||euripides: <If Szabo delays taking the pawn, things are no better for him: <46.g4> h3 47.Kg5 Ke7 48.Kh4 Kf6 49.Kxh3 Kg6 50.Kg3 f5 51.gxf5+ Kxf5> also 50.Kh4 f5 51.g5 f4 52.Kg4 f3 53.Kxf3 Kxg5 draws.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||ahmadov: The puzzle says "Black to play". I was looking for a draw. This is the first puzzle in which I find a player to play and... lose.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||greensfield: We did the puzzle over lunch, thought that black had no chance of a win, and voted 45...h4 to double up white pawns or push on to h3 if White declines to double up. We thought this was the way to go for a draw.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||TrueBlue: way too easy, feels like Christmas :)|
|Dec-29-06|| ||dzanone: 46...h4 47.Kxh4 f6 48.Kg4 Kg7 49.Kf5 Kf7 50.h4 Kg7 51.g4 Kf7 52.h5 Kg7 53. h6+ Kxh6 54.Kxf6 and White can make no headway. I wondered why no one mentioned having the King take the pawn; it doesn't go anywhere.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||slomarko: i needed 2 secs to solve this puzzle something more difficult please|
|Dec-29-06|| ||kevin86: How about that! I answered a Friday puzzle that the master (who played the game) missed.I saw h4 immediately based on two factors: First is white takes,the game is hopelessly drawn,even without black's pawn at f7. Second,after the annoying problem of rounding up the pawn after refusing the exchange,black's king can become more aggressive and hold the draw-instead of being forced into a passive stance as in the text.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||TrueBlue: solmarko, same position, white to play|
|Dec-29-06|| ||YouRang: I found 45...h4 right away as a drawing move for black: |
If 46. gxh4, the h pawns are doubled and it's an easy draw (in fact, black can give away his f-pawn and still draw).
If 46. g4, then black will be able to trade his f-pawn for white's g-pawn, leaving another rookfile pawn draw.
If 46. (any king move) allows 46...hxg3 and there's no way to get past black's f-pawn.
It was so easy (for a Friday) that I thought, "gee, maybe black is supposed to WIN this". (A dumb thought, I know.)
Good puzzle though. I have to assume that it would be difficult for <chessgames.com> to find a good puzzle in a game if the player him/herself didn't find it! Did someone analyze this game and submit it as a candidate puzzle?
|Dec-29-06|| ||WarmasterKron: Probably the first Friday I've got in some time, and quite easy, too. Doubling the pawns on the rook's file with the defending king controlling the queening square is an important theme in king and pawn endgames.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <dzanone: 46...h4 47.Kxh4 f6 48.Kg4 Kg7 49.Kf5 Kf7 50.h4 Kg7 51.g4 Kf7 52.h5 Kg7 53. h6+ Kxh6 54.Kxf6 and White can make no headway.>|
I assume your analysis is intended to begin from the actual game position after 45. … Kf8? 46. Kg5 …, but if so, the position in which you say, “White can make no headway”, is, in fact, winning for White, for example (starting from the puzzle position and then the following moves: 45...Kf8? 46.Kg5 h4 47.Kxh4 f6 48.Kg4 Kg7 49.Kf5 Kf7 50.h4 Kg7 51.g4 Kf7 52.h5 Kg7 53.h6+ Kxh6 54.Kxf6, to reach the end of your analysis, White wins as follows: 54. … Kh7 55.g5 Kg8 (or 55...Kh8 56.g6 Kg8 57.g7 Kh7 58.Kf7 ) 56.Kg6 Kh8 57.Kf7 Kh7 58.g6+ .
|Dec-29-06|| ||slomarko: <TrueBlue> well h4|
|Dec-29-06|| ||dakgootje: Found the idea of h4, however didn't take the time to calculate whether it really worked.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||TrueBlue: slomarko, yes, you got that one as well :)|
|Dec-29-06|| ||scorpius: This puzzle is near the beginning in Van Perlo's Endgame Tactics|
|Dec-29-06|| ||themadhair: I wonder if <cg.com> is dropping subtle hints on how to handle a certain endgame.....|
|Dec-29-06|| ||MaxxLange: the only try:...h4!|
|Dec-29-06|| ||Rocafella: I actually saw h4, what is happening!?|
|Dec-29-06|| ||ALEXIN: H4 is evident.|
|Dec-29-06|| ||Moondoll: amazingly, i got it right away also. hooray for the daily puzzle!|
|Dec-29-06|| ||malthrope: All of this reminds me the first time I ever saw this position (for all of you retrograde analysis aficionados <I'm one too!> this should bring a smile!) as it illustrates the point well...|
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White to play and draw! ~lol~ ;-)
PS: If I recall correctly the position I saw was all the pawns lined up on the 'a-file' adjusted here for the Daily Problem!
|Dec-29-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I played around with this for close to half an hour ... I could not believe it was a draw. |
45...h4!; 46.g4 Ke7; 47.Kg5 h3; 48.Kh4 Kf6; 49.Kxh3 Kg6; 50.Kg3 f5; 51.h3 Kf6; 52.Kf4 fxg4; 53.hxg4 Kg6; 54.g5 Kg7; 55.Kf5 Kf7; and we have reached a theoretical draw.
|Dec-29-06|| ||lilfoohk: I got it
The idea is to interrupt and reduce critical squares
|Dec-30-06|| ||kevin86: <malthrope> In the realm of retrograde analysis-this is an impossible position-black must have moved from g8 to h8 and there was no way for white to check him legally at g7. In an odd quirk-if you transfer the position to any file,it is drawn-in RA,it is also legal.|
|Dec-30-06|| ||malthrope: <kevin86: <malthrope> In the realm of retrograde analysis-this is an impossible position...>|
Well of course the position is illegal! ~lol~ It was meant solely to make you laugh! ;-) Change the description to 'Black to move' and now it's perfectly legal! The second point of the exercise was to simply point out that no matter how many rook pawns are on either the 'a-file' or 'h-file' with the defending King is in front of the row of pawns it's always a draw! :-)
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