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|Jul-24-05|| ||al wazir: Continuing, 22. Re4 Kg7 23. Rae1 d3 24. e6 fxe6 25. Rxe6 d2. Now if 26. Rd7+ Rf7 27. Rxf7+ Qxf7 28. Re2 Qf8 (29. Rxd2? Qc5+ wins) 29. Nd7 Qd6 30. Rxd2. If 26. Bxd2 Qb6+ (26...Kxf6? 28. Rxe6+ wins) 27. Be3 Qd8. I can't see a win for either side. At least this line is better than for black than the one played.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||OhioChessFan: <al Amen to that. I noticed that, while 22. Re4 Kg7 23. Rae1 h5 transposes into the game line, black can defer the move h5 and play, e.g., d3 instead. If 24. Rh4 then 24...h5 >|
<wazir>, I agree. There was simply no point for the h pawn move at the time Black made it. I think.
|Jul-24-05|| ||hedgehog: <wazir><OhioChessFan> So in summary, h5 should have been used only when it was needed? and maybe it's provocation is an example of the adage "the threat is stronger than the execution" - I think someone said that once.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||Koster: Nice combination. I don't see d3 helping much as white has Bd2-c3 with too many threats. Once the knight is anchored on f6 the attack on h7 with the rook wins, either from e7 or h4. Sazabo likely saw that when he started the combo which is further than I did. Szabo as a young player reminds me of a young Timman, but didn't get quite as far.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||Gypsy: Regardless whether the combo was technicaly easy or hard, it is a piece of inspired chess from Szabo.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||al wazir: <Koster: white has Bd2-c3 with too many threats>. I agree, that refutes my line <22. Re4 Kg7 23. Rae1 d3 24. e6 fxe6 25. Rxe6 d2>. If instead 24...d2 25. Bxd2 Kxf6 27. Bc3+, then I'm not sure about the win, but I'd rather have the white pieces than black.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||Hesam7: <chessgames.com: Unless you actually solved this problem yourself, I don't think you're in a position to judge how "easy" it is.> Why not? Besides, did you expect someone to calculate all that variations after White's 21st move? Even with your softwares you have not provided a detailed analysis that White wins by force from that point. So I think it was "easy and enough" to see up to 21 fxe5 and that the resulting position is in White's favor.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||OhioChessFan: <Koster>, Bd2-c3 does look good. But Black still has those Queen side pawns to start rolling against the bishops.|
|Jul-25-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I disagree that the whole combo had to be seen as f4 is not hard to see and White has a stonger game after 19 Q:f5
-which is fairly easy to see - and even if 19. ...N:e5 20. f:e5 Whiteis fairly clearly winning. He is going to get three pieces for a queen with a very strong position|
I saw the main - or the initial few moves of the main line and concluded that that was it and I saw some of the ideas - driving the pawn to e6 a possible move of the rook to the h file comnbinations on the a1 to h8 diagonal etc -in an OTB game I would have worked hard and calculate most of it.
But of course it is not easy to calculate these variatons in total - one works out main lines and a few sub lines: and then judges the position as winning...or not..humans judge and calculate - computers 'stupidly' calculate everything and they judge - but a human can judge by also experience and by "sight".
|Jul-25-05|| ||Richard Taylor: But I agree with <Gipsy> it is inspired chess - regardless - and it always takes courage and vision to give away one's queen...|
|Jul-25-05|| ||patzer2: The Sunday puzzle solution 19. Qxe5! at first appears to be a true Queen sacrifice, as opposed to a sham sacrifice leading to an easily calculated win.|
However, when you consider that White loses quickly in other lines, the "sacrfice" of the Queen for three pieces is practically forced. For example after the main alternative 19. Nxf6+? Bxf6
20. Qg4 Nc5 21. Rad1 d3 22. Bxf6 Qxf6 23. Re5 Qd6 24. Qf3 Rad8 , white is two pawns down in an obvioulsy lost position.
Black could have put up more resistance with 21...d3, but after <koster>'s idea of 22. Bd2! White seems to control the position for a decisive win. An analysis with Fritz 8 follows:
21... d3!? 22. Bd2! (Perhaps not so effective here is 22. Re4!? Qb6+ 23. Kf1 Rad8 24. Rd1 h5 25. Bh6 Qb5 26. Rd2 Qc5 27. g4 Qc1+ 28. Re1 Qc5 29. gxh5 gxh5 30. Rg2 Rg8 31. Nxg8 Rxg8 32. Rxg8+ Kxg8 33. Re4 Kh7 34. Be3 Qe7 35. Bc4 f5 36. Rd4 c5 37. Rxd3 Qxe5 38. b3 b6 39. a3 h4 40. Bd2 Kg6 with some practical survival chances for Black.) 22... Qd4+ 23. Kh1 Qxb2 24. Ne4 Qa3 25. Bc3 d2 26. Bxd2 Rae8 27. Nd6 Kg8 28. Bh6 Re7 29. Re2 a5 30. Rf1 a4 31. Bxf8 Kxf8 32. Bxf7 Kg7 33. Ne8+ Kh8 34. e6 Qd3 35. Ree1 Qc2 36. Nf6 Qxa2 37. Ng8 and White wins (
+6.75 @ 14 depth & 1260kN/s).
|Jul-25-05|| ||patzer2: Although it's not clear whether it's a forced winning combination, the clearance move 15. e5! is an outstanding positional sacrifice. Certainly it played a key role in setting up the winning 19. Qxe5! sacrfice.|
|Jan-22-09|| ||Extremophile: 19.Qxe5 is not a sacrifice! White wins material by 19.Qxe5.|
|Jan-22-09|| ||andymac: "Victor: Laszlo" would have been slightly better, I think, but still an excellent pun. Also a great movie, of course.|
|Jan-22-09|| ||Andrijadj: Music Box,right?The movie...|
|Jan-22-09|| ||blue wave: 18.f4! a killer move!!|
|Jan-22-09|| ||kevin86: A queen is a strong piece,but white will have a mere two bishops and rook for her-a winning margin...|
|Jan-22-09|| ||xrt999: CG has 19.Qhx5 listed as a sac, but technically the queen is being attacked, and has no square to move to, so I really dont think this fits the definition of a sacrifice. |
Now, if the queen had a square to move to safety and instead opted for this line, then yes, I would call it a sacrifice.
In other words, the true sac is 18.f4, it locks the queen into black's position with no safety squre.
So, the notation above should say "Q sac: 18.f4". Just my opinion.
|Jan-22-09|| ||xrt999: I mean 19.Qxe5 of course.
I like this game because it shows that chess is not always so clear when it comes to material. You have to consider many other facets such as the quality of pieces, the degree of attack and defense, and position. (or time and space, in addition to material). In all cases white is ahead, but is down a full piece. (Q-P-P to B-B-N)
Even if one was advanced enough to be able to calculate such a position from move 18 through 21, and see the board as it is at move 21, you still would need to be able to evaluate the nuances that I referenced above, and be convinced enough to go forward with a move like 18.f4. This is the sign of a great GM level player.
Thanks CG for showcasing this game.
|Jan-22-09|| ||Travis Bickle: The art of attack!|
|Jan-22-09|| ||njchess: Nice game. White's attack is crushingly accurate.
< Andrijadj: Music Box,right?The movie...>
Victor Laszlo is a reference to a character portrayed by Paul Henreid from the classic film Casablanca (1942) starring Humphrey Bogart, Ingrid Bergman, and Claude Rains. Nice pun.
|Jan-22-09|| ||Once: Stunning game, and a good Casablanca pun to boot. Thanks, CG, for making this a very worthy GOTD.|
The only downside is the realisation that no matter how much I practice I can never imagine myself finding white's 19th. I can well believe that this is one of the toughest Sundays ever.
|Jan-22-09|| ||WhiteRook48: amazing choice for GOTD, but I usually can't get puns and not on this one either. I'm a total patzer. Well, most of the time.|
|Jan-24-09|| ||Andrijadj: Thanks Njchess...Main antagonist of the famous film Music Box is also called laszlo,but Mischa,not Victor...I made a mistake...|
|Apr-12-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 26 Ne8+ now Black is the one sacrificing|
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