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| Sep-03-04 |
| CivilChess: Why Not  h7 now? |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| simsan: <bob725> Me too. There are quite a number of similarities with wednesday's puzzle: J L Arnason vs Dreev, 1990. Sadly, however, I wasn't anywhere near seeing the necessity of 27. Rg1 (at least not while I was considering 22. ? ) |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| xqdashi: <CivilChess> If by "why not Nh7 now",
you mean why not 28...Nh7, it
is because 28...Nh7 29. gxf8=Q double
check and mate. |
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Sep-03-04
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| kevin86: Today is a "power of the pawn" day-White's pawn is so versitile:
at g5-it protect the queen's intrusion at h6
at g6-it allows the threat of mate on h7
at g7-it not only supports yet another mate threat on h8;it also can be promoted for yet another mate on f8!! |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| ezumpf: What is wrong with Bg7 first? 22. Bg7...23.Qh5..., what prevents the queen from eventually getting him on the bishop protected h7? |
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Sep-03-04
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| patzer2: If 22. Bxg7??, then Black wins with the subtle (yet strong) 22...bxc4! After 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! Black wins decisively as illustrated in the following variations: (A) 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! 23. Bxf8 Qa5+! 24. Kf1 [24. Ke2 cxd3+ 25. Kf1 (25. Kxd3 Ne5+  ; 25 Kd1 Qd2#)] 24...Nd2+ 25. Kg2 Nxf3 26. Bxc5 Qxc5 27. Bf5 Nfe5 (B) 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! 23. Be4 Qa5+ [also winning is 23...Kxg7 ] 24. Ke2 [24. Kf1 Nd2+ ; 24. Kd1 Qd2#] 24...Qd2+ 25. Kf1 Kxg7 26. Rd1 f5! 27. gxf6+ Kh8! 28. Bxh7 [28. Qh5 Nxf6 29. Rxd2 Nxd2+ 30. Ke2 Nxh5 31. Kxd2 Rxf2+ 32. Kc3 Ng3 33. Kxc4 Rc8 ] 28...Nxf6 29. Bf5 c3 30. Kg2 Qb2 31. Qf4 [31. Rb1 Qa2 32. Qf4 Ra7 33. Kh3 c2 ] 31...Ra7 32. Rb1 Qe2 33. e4 [33. Rbe1 Rg8+ 34. Kh2 Qh5 35. Rhg1 Rag7] 33...Rg8+! 34. Kh3 Bxf2! . (C) 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! 23. Qf5 cxd3 24. Bxf8 Nxf8 25. Ra2 [25. Rd1 d2+ 26. Kf1 Bxa3 ] 25...d2+ 26. Kd1 Be7 27. Rc2 Qd6 28. h5 Ra5 29. g6 fxg6 30. hxg6 hxg6 31. Rg1 Rxd5 32. Qe4 Kg7 33. f4 [33. Qb4 Qf6 ] 33...Qxa3! 34. Qxd5 [34. Ke2 Nc1+ 35. Kd1 Rd7 36. Qe5+ Bf6 37. Qf5 Re7 38. Qc5 Qb3 39. Rg2 Nd3 40. Qc6 Nb2+ 41. Ke2 d1Q+ 42. Kf2 Qxe3#] 34...Qc1+! 35. Rxc1 [35. Ke2 Qxc2 ] 35...dxc1Q+ 36. Ke2 Qxg1 . (D) 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! 23. Bxc4 Qa5+ 24. Ke2 Kxg7 25. Rad1 f5 26. d6 Qc3 27. Bd3 f4! 28. Rh2 [28. exf4? Nd4+ ] 28...fxe3 29. Qe4 Nc1+ 30. Kf1 [30. Rxc1 Qd2+ 31. Kf1 Rxf2+ 32. Kg1 Qxc1+ 33. Bf1 Qxf1#] 30...e2+! 31. Bxe2 Qg3! (also winning easy is 32...Rae8! ) 32. Qg2 [32. Rxc1 Rxf2+ 33. Ke1 Rf4+ ] 32...Rxf2+! [this forces mate, but also winning is 32...Bxf2 ] 33. Qxf2 Rf8! 34. Qxf8+ [34. Bf3 Rxf3 ] 34...Kxf8 35. Rg2 Qxh4! 36. Rxc1 Qh1+ 37. Rg1 Qxg1# (E) 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! 23. Bxh7+ Kxg7! 24. Qh5 Ra6 25. Bf5 Rh8 26. Qd1 Ne5 27. Be4 Qa5 28. Ke2 Nxa1 29. Qxa1 c3 30. Kd1 Rb6 31. h5 Rb2 32. h6+ Kf8 33. Qc1 Bxa3 34. g6 fxg6 (F) 22. Bxg7?? bxc4! 23. Bb1 Qa5+ 24. Ke2 Kxg7 25. Qf5 Rh8 26. Ra2 Qc7 27. h5 Qd6 28. h6+ Kg8 29. Qc2 Qxd5 30. Qe4 Qxe4 31. Bxe4 Re8 32. Rd1 Nb6 33. Kf3 c3 34. Bf5 Nc4 35. Rc2 f6 36. Rxc3 [36. gxf6 Nbd2+ 37. Kg4 Bxa6 38. Rxc3 Bb4 39. Rc2 Kf7 40. e4 Rhg8+ 41. Kh4 a3 42. f4 Ne3 43. Bxh7 Ng2 44. Kh3 Nxf4+ 45. Kh2 Nf3+ 46. Kh1 Rg4 47. Rh2 Rd8 48. Ra1 Rd2! 49. Bg8+ Kf8 50. Rh5 Nxh5 51. Rxa3 Ng3#] 36...Ne5+ 37. Kg3 fxg5 38. f4 gxf4+ 39. exf4 Nd4 40. Rxc5 Nxf5+ 41. Kh3 Ng4! 42. Rg1 Nfxh6 43. Rc3 Rb8 44. Rxg4+ Nxg4 45. Kxg4 Rb3 46. Rc2 h5+ 47. Kg5 Rg3+ 48. Kh4 Rxa3 |
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Sep-03-04
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| midknightblue: yes, thanks patzer2. I didnt understand why Rg1 was necessary until i read your explanation. |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| ezumpf: <Patzer2> Thanks. And holy @#$%! I was hoping for an answer, not all answers! Not complaining at all. Very helpful. It just reminds me of when I was a child and asked my father, a nuclear physicist, how a battery worked. His answer began, "A battery? Well...first you need to understand the nature of energy..." |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| aw1988: <patzer2> You must love to analyze! Holy god. |
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Sep-03-04
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| patzer2: <aw1988> I actually prefer analysis to over-the-board play, because you can get closer to that elusive "perfect play" and gain an insight into the mind of the most brilliant players.
Many of my wins as a player were the result of catching my opponents in positions I had previously analyzed. <ezumpf> I got carried away looking at the possibilites in the position, but didn't come close to exhausting them. However, I think you can understand why I find these "pawn demolition" combinations particularly instructive. |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| John Doe: Why not 27. g7?
The pawn is protected and no black piece can cover h8... Or am I horribly wrong? |
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Sep-03-04
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| patzer2: If 27. g7??, Black is winning after 27...Nh7! 28.gxf8Q Qxf8 29. Rg1+ Kh8 30. Qxf8 (30. Qc6 bxc4 ) 30...Rxf8 31. Ra2 bxc4 . |
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Sep-03-04
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| Knight13: Constrasitive! |
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| Sep-03-04 |
| drcdwil: <Knight13: Constrasitive! > ?????? |
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Sep-03-04
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| iron maiden: That's not even a word... |
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Sep-03-04
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| patzer2: perhaps <Knight 13> meant "contrastive" as defined at http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictiona.... I have seen the alternate spelling "contrasitive," as used by Knight 13, but I don't know if it's accepted usage or a misspelling. |
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Sep-03-04
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| Knight13: <patzer2> I don't mean contrative. I mean constrasitive. |
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Sep-03-04
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| patzer2: If it is not the same as "contrastive," then What does "contrasitive" mean <Knight 13>? |
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Oct-22-04
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| Knight13: <patzer2> It's just a creative imaginary word. |
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| May-14-05 |
| aw1988: <Knight13> You're being saxacollines at the moment, I'm afraid. |
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| Dec-12-05 |
| Averageguy: <aw1988>Stop habdufgering him. |
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| Dec-12-05 |
| mr. nice guy: Too much doughblasting on this page. |
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| Dec-12-05 |
| offramp: Too much chin music and not enough dancing! |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| sanyas: I got that impression from this game too. |
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| Oct-05-07 |
| sanyas: So much for the theory of Alexander Shashin! Whilst Shashin was busy wondering which algorithm to employ, Taimanov crashed his bishops into Black's kingside. Well, every theory must be subject to falsification... |
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