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Ivanov vs Mikhail Tal
URS (1950)
Spanish Game: Closed. Pilnik Variation (C90)  ·  1-0


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Dec-19-04  Maroczy: The player database at gives Ivanov a birthdate of 1956. I don't think a six year old Alex beat Tal.
Dec-20-04  shortsight: haha, if ivanov was born in 1956, in the year 1950, he's (negative!!) -6 years old, not 6 years old!!
Dec-20-04  ughaibu: I expect Ivanov is a common name. This game isn't at Chessbase, neither is there a game between Tal and any Ivanov for the year.
Dec-20-04  Maroczy: <shortsight> Just wanted to see if you were paying attention:).
Dec-20-04  hkannan2000: Surprising Tal got a dose of his own sacrificial medicine in a miniature game!
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  sfm: <Sneaky>: "Hard to believe the Wizard from Riga overlooked 22 Bxh7+"

Yes, that is indeed incredible, the Bxh7-Ng5-Qh5 combination is sooo trivial.

Instead of 21.-,Nc5, well, simply Bxe4 at least removes the h7-threat. 22. Txe4, Qa5 - but it does look like black is in some danger on the K-side still.

May-03-05  Knight13: Bxh7+ is suprising. Even a strong player would overlook that.
May-04-05  aw1988: Um, you must not forget, Tal was very young in 1950.
Jun-10-05  mjk: It seems more likely that Tal overlooked 25.e6 than 22.♗xh7+, since e6 is, as <talchess2003> pointed out, really quite nice.
Jun-10-05  charms: sfm is from Germany/Austria/Switzerland.
Nc5?? is an incredible blunder from a world champion.
Jun-10-05  RookFile: Yes, I wouldn't get too excited,
Tal was at most a 14 year old kid
when this game was played.
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  chancho: This game cannot be be from the same Alex Ivanov.The Grandmaster from Brookline Mass, Was a IM in 1991, and forty one years had elapsed before he became a Grandmaster? Something is very wrong here.This may be another Alexander Ivanov.
Aug-28-05  euripides: Karpov was in his forties before he ahcieved this level of play: Anand vs Karpov, 1996
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  chancho: <euripedes>Alexander Ivanov was born in 1956.
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  chancho: Born May 1 1956 as a matter of fact. How the hell did he play Tal if he was not yet alive? This is either someone else named Alexander Ivanov, or the year the game was played is just wrong.
Aug-28-05  euripides: <Chancho> I was referring to Tal's level of play.
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  chancho: You meant Karpov of course. Ok sorry for the misunderstanding.
Aug-28-05  euripides: I meant what I said.
Aug-28-05  RookFile: The first thing to understand, in Russia, is the name: Ivanov is incredibly popular. About as popular as the English name, Johnson.


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  chancho: <euripedes> I was not disrespecting you. Look at your prior post and you will see you said Karpov and then Tal.
Aug-28-05  euripides: <Chancho> Both my posts were right exactly as they stood. I was comparing Tal's and Karpov's level of play. If you cannot understand the humour please try not to spoil it for everyone else.
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  chancho: Well that is ok with me <euripedes> I was not trying to spoil your fun. It was a misunderstanding on my part. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me?
Mar-01-06  MorphyMatt: <talchess2003> 27. ♘h8#?
Jun-29-06  Chicago Chess Man: not sure if this is already posted here, but another cool way for White to win after 25 ... Qxf4 would be 26. Qh7+ Kg8 27. e7+ Rxe7 28. Qh8#
Dec-16-06  syracrophy: 25...fxe6 26.♕h7+ ♔f8 27.♕h8+ 28.♕xg7#
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