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Mikhail Tal vs Segal
Riga Championship Semifinal (1952), Riga URS
Pirc Defense: General (B07)  ·  1-0

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Dec-10-18  agb2002: White has a knight for bishop.

Black threatens Qxd8.

The bishop prevents the loss of the queen by Ne6+. Hence, 29.Rxd7:

A) 29... Rxd7 30.Ne6+ Kf7 31.Nxc7 + - [Q vs r].

B) 29... Rxc5 30.Rxf7+ K(Q)xf7 31.Qxc5 + - [R].

C) 29... Qb6(8) 30.Ree7 Rxe7 31.Rxe7+, followed by 32.Qxf6, wins.

Dec-10-18  saturn2: I saw after 29. Rxd7 both

29..Rxc5 30. Rxf7+ and

29..Rxd7 30. Ne6+

Dec-10-18  ndg2: 29...Rxc5 20.Rf7+ would turn it into 'easy', not 'very easy'.
Dec-10-18  Articalplayer: I agree with ndg2. This was not very easy to solve for a Monday.Took me ages to figure out it was not a Queen sacrifice this time but how and where to place the Knight fork.
Dec-10-18  malt: Ne6 looks tempting, hence 29.R:d7
(29...R:d7 30.Ne6+ )
(29...Q:d7 30.N:d7 )

29...R:c5 30.R:f7+ K:f7 31.Q:c5

Dec-10-18  stacase: White's Knight wants to fork Black's King and Queen, but the square is covered by Black's Bishop. So...

Oh isn't that nice, when White's Rook removes the Bishop, it's covered by the Knight. So...

Why Don't my pieces coordinate like that?

Dec-10-18  morfishine: Well hot dog, <29.Rxd7> looks like a weiner
Dec-10-18  mel gibson: I saw that within 20 seconds.

Stockfish 10 says:

29. Rxd7

(29. Rxd7 (♖d8xd7 ♖f7xd7 ♘c5-e6+
♔g7-f7 ♘e6xc7 ♖d7xc7 ♖e1-a1 ♔f7-g7 ♖a1-a8 ♖b5-b7 ♕c3-c5 ♖c7-f7 ♕c5xc6 ♖b7-d7 ♕c6-c8 ♔g7-h6 ♕c8-g8 f6-f5 ♖a8-f8 ♖f7-e7 ♖f8-d8 ♖e7-g7 ♕g8-f8 ♖d7-a7 ♕f8-d6 ♖g7-f7 ♖d8-f8 ♖a7-d7 ♕d6-c5 ♖d7-c7 ♖f8xf7 ♖c7xf7 b4-b5 ♖f7-b7 ♕c5-e3+ ♔h6-g7 ♕e3-e5+ ♔g7-h6 b5-b6 ♖b7-d7 ♕e5-e3+ ♔h6-g7 ♕e3-e8 ♖d7-f7 ♕e8xf7+ ♔g7xf7) +12.33/37 125)

score for White +12.33 depth 37

Dec-10-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Honza Cervenka: Black was probably Naum Segal
Dec-10-18  zb2cr: 29. Rxd7, Rxd7; 30. Ne6+ forks the Queen. White will finish up by Q vs. R+P. An easy win for a tactician of Tal's talent.
Dec-10-18  goodevans: <ndg2: 29...Rxc5 30.Rf7+ would turn it into 'easy', not 'very easy'.>

I agree. Needing to see that <29.Rxd7 Rxc5> needs consideration when neither 30.Rxc7 nor 30.Qxc5 nor 30.bxc5 work makes this more than usual Monday fare.

Dec-10-18  gars: Gentlemen:you state this game was played in 1952, which seems highly improbable, since in 1952 Alexandru Segal was only for or five years old.
Dec-10-18
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  Dionysius1: I think <Honza> has the solution.
Dec-10-18  ChessHigherCat: Another variation (less good but still winning) is 29. Ree8 Rxc5 30. Rg8+ Kh6 31. Qd2+ g5 32. bxc5 (+3.54)
Dec-10-18  King.Arthur.Brazil: I made a mistake in my analysis, because for the "easy" 29.Rxd7... I saw the wrong reply: 29... Rxc5, after 30.Rxc7??? Rxc3 and white had won nothing, but instead, 30. Rxf7+ K or Qxf7 and QXc5 won the R! lgs. I gave up and follow on 29. R1e8 (if 29...Bxe8, 30.Ne6+ or 29...Rxc5 30.Rg8+ followed by 31.Qxc5). The text move is more effective.

Let me say some words about Alexandru Segal. He was a Romanian that became Brazilian naturalized. He becames International Master in 1977 and was also European juvenil champion Sub 26. In our country winned the 1974 and 1978 Brazilian Championship and represented us in five World Student Olympiads. During several years he was one the bests in our country. Died in 06/01/2015 with the age of 67.

Dec-10-18
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  edinfo: Honza Cervenka: Black was probably Naum Segal
Alexandru Sorin was born in 1947.
Dec-10-18  SometimesGood: <Honza Cervenka: Black was probably Naum Segal> For sure. Both are from Latvia.
Dec-10-18
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  gawain: Nice little combination to fork the K and Q. Quite suitable for a Monday.
Dec-10-18  PhilFeeley: Juicy knight fork on e6. "Make it so!"
Dec-10-18  Walter Glattke: 29.Rxd7 Rxc5 30.Rxf7+ Qxf7 31.Qxc5
Dec-10-18  AlicesKnight: I expected 29.... Qc8 with a longer though certain White win. The R capture and N fork were more elementary.
Dec-10-18  SpamIAm: Love this opening in which Tal allows doubled pawns, perhaps just to muck up his opponent.
Dec-10-18  Saniyat24: The Seagull knight on e6 spreading her pointed wings...!
Dec-10-18  landshark: Somehow i missed that the N prevents the Q from recapturing in the game continuation so I kept looking. My move 29.Ree8 isn't bad either - Stockfish gives it +3.72 - so I guess i'm not regressing as badly as I first thought.
Dec-10-18  boringplayer: Black was Steven Segal, who was so upset at this loss that he took revenge upon the world by becoming an actor.
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