|May-24-04|| ||pikoro: Why does Tal 24...Rxd5 instead of QXd2? Blunder. |
|May-25-04|| ||Resignation Trap: If 24...Qxd2 25. Rxd2, and the threat of 26. Ne7+ leaves Black with nothing better than 25...Rxg4 26. Ne7+ Kf8 27. Rxd8+ Kxe7. With two Rooks vs. one, White has a theoretical win, but the Kingside Pawns might give Tal some practical chances. |
I frankly don't understand 23. g6, instead of the immediate 23. Nxd5! Why not (after 23. g6) 23...exd4? I see nothing for White.
|Jun-10-04|| ||pikoro: Of course. After 23...exd4 Nxd5 is not even possible. |
|Mar-07-05|| ||siu02jm: <Resignation Trap:><I frankly don't understand 23. g6, instead of the immediate 23. Nxd5!>|
i was wondering the same until i realised that the move introduced a fork threat on e7..
its a trap.. !!
|Apr-03-06|| ||zev22407: If 23) .. e5:d4 24)Rh8+ and Q-h2+ and mate in two.|
|Apr-03-06|| ||olydream3: this is an interest game. but i dont see how white can continue if 23..exd4 24. Rh8+ Kxg8 25. Qh2+ Kg8. i cant see the mate in 2|
|Apr-03-06|| ||thesonicvision: no.
23...exd 24. Rh8+ Kxh8 25. Qh2+ Kg8
26. Qh7+ Kf8 and there's a flight
square on e7.
g6 makes no sense at all to me.
i must be missing something.
i've worked out many different lines,
to no avail.
|Apr-03-06|| ||zev22407: I was mistaken my coment was not correct,no mate in two.|
|Apr-03-06|| ||black knight c6: From 24, I couldn't see why not 24. ... QxQ but it turns out I think white might win a very close endgame:
25. Ne7+ Kf8
26. NxR+ fxNg6 (King moves here lead to checkmate)
27. RxR+ QxR
28. Rh8+ Ke7
29. RxQ KxR
Where blacks doubled pawn I think will lead him to lose. Very interesting line that! The reason for 23. g6 is because If Nxd5 was played immediately, on move 26 of my above line, there wouldnt be any rook to take and the line would be over, with black easily winning. So that explains that, although I can't get why black doesnt go 23. ... exRd4 As mentioned above, there seems to be no immediate checkmates, and I can't find any way for the knight to move away with check (so white's queen can take black's)Although there seemed to be a few interesting lines which either didnt SEEM to lead anywhere or were VERY complicated. One was instead of the hopeful Rh8+ sac, do gxf7+ but I don't know if white can find any means to win in the resulting position. If the Rh8+ line is continued:
23. ... exRd4
24. Rh8+ KxR
25. Qh2+ Kg8
26. Qh7+ Kf8
27. Kh8+ Kd2
But I'm not sure if ... exNc3 white can still win or if ... Rc8 protecting the pawn there i still a way for white.. note once the knight moves off its square in the second possibility, the blackqueen can checkmate any move so a checkmate needs to be found...
Someone else can continue trying to solve the puzzle of y not 23. ... exRd4 now.
|Apr-04-06|| ||Cyphelium: <black knight c6> After 24.- ♕xd2 25. ♘e7+ ♔f8 26. ♘xg6+ fxg6 27. ♖xd8+ ♕xd8 28. ♖h8+ ♔e7 29. ♖xd8 ♔xd8, it is not clear to me that black will lose because of the doubled g-pawn. Black is a pawn up at that point, so actually he might just as well have an edge there, doubled pawn or not. For example 30. ♔c1 ♔e7 31. ♔d2 ♔f6 32. ♔e3 ♔g5 33. ♔f3 e4+ 34. ♔xe4 ♔xg4 35. c4 ♔h4 36. c5 g5 37. b4 g4 38. b5 g3 39. c6 bxc6 40. bxc6 g2 41. c7 g1♕ 42. c8♕ ♕g4+ winning. Ok, white may of course play better than that, so perhaps he can draw somehow? But a win is yet to be demonstrated, I think.|
|Apr-04-06|| ||black knight c6: <Cyphelium> In your line, I don't believe 30. Kc1 is correct play. c4 blocking a black kings advance to d5, followed by the white king advancing to e4 and the g pawn advancing if need be to entrench the king side will hold the black king to the e5 pawn, letting the white queenside pawns with the majority to queen. Follow this plan and blacks doubled pawn will kill him. more pawns doesnt always mean a win - whites pawn holding up the really bad doubled ones you will find most people would say that counts as a less pawn for black, it is seriously a disadvantage for him in this position. Just follow my advice using c4 first, getting the king to e4 and advancing the g pawn if need be, then advancing whites pawn majority on the queenside, and I think you will find a white win.|
|Apr-04-06|| ||black knight c6: by the way, itd be really nice if anyone could post with any insight onto white winning lines, as asked by me a few posts before. (???)|
|Apr-05-06|| ||Cyphelium: <black knight c6> Ok, so first we'll try 30. c4 ♔e7 31. ♔c2 ♔f6 32. ♔d3 ♔g5 33. ♔e4 ♔xg4, which is rather similar to the variation I gave before. 31. b4 might be better, but then perhaps 31.- e4, after which 32. ♔c2 ♔e6 33. ♔d2 ♔e5 34. ♔e3 a6 35. a4 b6 36. g5 a5 37. bxa5 bxa5 38. c5 ♔d5 39. c6 ♔xc6 40. ♔xe4 ♔c5 looks pretty good for black. But of course, I haven't got my coffee yet, so there might be some problem in that line.|
|Apr-05-06|| ||black knight c6: ok i wasn't looking a board before, it looks like black can pick off whites g4 pawn, but all is not over after that. White will play b4, followed by black trying to push his g pawn/ e pawn if it survives while white pushes on the queenside with his pawn majority.|
33. ♔e4 ♔xg4
34. b4 ♔h4 (hopefully not Kh3 because white will queen on c3 and this would be check)
35. c5 g5
36. ♔f3 this will eventually force the black ♔ to h3
36. ... ♔h3
37. b5 g4+
38. ♔e2 (not f2 where the king wil be checked again by the black pawn)
38. ... g3
39. c6 g2
40. c7 g1=♕
but after all this I think will fail after 41. ... ♕g4+ where the queens swap, black gets opposition and will use b6 to stop the two white pawns on the side of the board. So it looks like black will win in this line, although it was close.
In your line, after ♔c5, then white ♔e5 and actually a draw will occur! i would analyse and see if theres a better line for black but I don't have the time at the moment, might come back though.
|Dec-20-07|| ||analysethat: Tal's 24 ... Rxd5?? just goes to show that grandmasters are human too. It would be interesting to see games annotated without all the mystique.|
|Aug-21-08|| ||kap54: It seems that nobody can figure out what white's plan was when he opted for 23.g6, seemingly sacrificing his ♖d4. It doesn't look like g6 creates an appreciable threat that justifies the rook sac. My theory is Tal just assumed that the attack was solid instead of putting some thought into it himself, and fell right into white's trap, however flawed it was.|
|Mar-06-10|| ||butilikefur: ... why not 23. Qh2 ?|
|Feb-05-15|| ||Swedish Logician: I wonder whether Tal, playing white more than two decades later, recalled his game with Lutikov ... Tal vs R Byrne, 1976|
|Apr-25-15|| ||mikealando: They were drinking buddies:
"Colleagues, friends, drinking companions. Lengthy drinking sessions. Merriment, exchanges of views, and conversations, the content of which was impossible to remember on the following murky morning. He [Lutikov] possessed a rare constitution, and in his younger days he could calmly down a litre of vodka in an evening, or perhaps even more. In such a state he would become heavy, and the evening could end anywhere and at any unearthly hour. An extract from the militia records of those years. 'Citizen A.S. Lutikov in a state of extreme alcoholic intoxication was found dragging on his bag another citizen, who later was found to be M.N. Tal.'..... - Excerpt from 'The Reliable Past' by Edward Sosonko (Published 2003 by New In Chess)
|Jan-04-17|| ||Richard Taylor: He died quite young so all that drinking may not have helped. Nehzmeditonov also went through a period of boozing. He was spanked and had to pull his socks up. He was a mate of Tal's also....|
|Nov-08-17|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: Tal himself hunted with his own weapons|
|Mar-19-18|| ||butilikefur: <pikoro><Cyphelium>:|
Hey guys. After <24...Qxd2 25. Rxd2> Black might try <25...Rgd6> instead but runs into <26. Ne7+ Kf8 27. Rxd6 Rxd6 28. Nf5> with a hanging rook and Rh8+ mate. Against <25...Rxg4 26. Ne7+ Kf8 27. Rxd8+> by <ResignationTrap> is best since <27. Nf5 Rg1+>.
|May-18-18|| ||Stanica: 24...Qxd2 25.Rxd2 Rxg4 26.Rdh2 f6 (26...g6 27.Rh8+ and R1h7#) 27.Rh8 Ofc Tal recalled his game with Lutikov when play against R. Byrne. Even I for myself use to remember my games played 30 years ago and I'm just an ant compared with him..|