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|Jul-28-06|| ||Hugh Scott: What about 16.-, Nxf6?|
|Jul-28-06|| ||eaglewing: How about 22. Qd5 Rd8 for the Black defense?
Simply taking the rook
22. Qd5 Rd8 23. Qxa8 Nc5+ (or Ne5 perhaps) 24. Ke3 Qxc2 or Kc3 Nxb3
looks dangerous for White, because
the Queen activity is turned around.
Notes: Ng6+/Kg7 seems not to be useful for White in that line. Nc6/Rg8/Ne7/Rd8 could be a repeat option.
But I suppose I overlooked something in that line or there is something better than Qxa8.
|Jul-28-06|| ||OhioChessFan: I protest, Chessgames. A Tal puzzle that doesn't start with a Queen sac?! As for the ending, nothing like a couple spite checks in a GM game.|
|Jul-28-06|| ||BeautyInChess: 22. Qd5 Rd8 - What next? (23. Ng6 Kg7 24. Nh4 doesn't seem to go anywhere.) (23. Qxa8 Nb6+ is no good) need some help, here.|
|Jul-28-06|| ||jhoro: i completely missed it, but that is no news to me ;)|
<eaglewing> you were correct. this is the best defence for black. the line is
< 22.Qd5 Rd8 23.Ng6+ Kg7 24.Ne5 Nxe5 25.Qxd8 Qa5+ 26.Qxa5 Nc4+ 27.Ke2 Nxa5 > which is still lost for black, but not that bad. there are so many little traps on every move.
|Jul-28-06|| ||jhoro: note that 24.Ne5 in the above line threatens <25.Rg3+ ... 26.Qxa2>|
|Jul-28-06|| ||zb2cr: Incredible--I saw it!?
But why did Black play 25. ... Nxe5, giving White the double attack? I don't see quite as much bad happening to Black after 25. ... fxe5; 26. fxe5, Qa4; 27. Rf1+, Ke8.
|Jul-28-06|| ||jhoro: <I don't see quite as much bad happening to Black ... >|
it's mate in 5
28.Qg8+ Ke7 29.Rf7+ Ke6 30.Rf6+ Kxe5 31.Qg5+ Kd4 32.Rf4#
|Jul-28-06|| ||zb2cr: <jhoro>,
Thanks for pointing that out! Working without a board, my vision muct have been getting clouded.
|Jul-28-06|| ||sahmattr: A beautiful game! This one has reminded me a recent game by Larry Christiansen:Christiansen vs Wojtkiewicz which includes a bishop sac. 13.Bxe6....|
|Jul-28-06|| ||Castle In The Sky: I got the Qd5 and didn't see the variation all the way through, but I thought the fork would give white a great advantage. Go Tal!|
|Jul-28-06|| ||kevin86: Always check when a rook down:it could lead to a draw! lol|
As usual,Tal can handle the pieces,especially the sac game. But with unusual regularity-he winds up ahead in material or having checkmated his foe.
A perfect puzzle would be to try to avoid an extremely unsound combination of Tal---definitely a SUNDAY special.
|Jul-28-06|| ||jhoro: <zb2cr: <jhoro>,
Thanks for pointing that out! Working without a board, my vision muct have been getting clouded.>|
it is amaizing how my computer saw the mate without looking at a board either and it took 'im less than a second
|Jul-28-06|| ||makaveli52: <A perfect puzzle would be to try to avoid an extremely unsound combination of Tal>
Would require way too much research, probably have to find a blitz game he played at the age of 3|
|Jul-28-06|| ||adept: in my opinion...everybody is right:)|
|Jul-28-06|| ||ianD: Spotted the move straight off...just instinct. Genius!|
|Jul-28-06|| ||duchamp64: In the game, 25 e5 was very pretty and perhaps best, but I believe 25 Rb8 was good enough, coming out a clear Exchange up.|
|Jul-28-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I solved it in under five seconds. (Seriously!)
The REST OF THE STORY was I just ran across this in a book, magazine or tactics CD, (I don't remember which one.). Anyway, the first time I looked at it, I didn't solve it then.
Oh. I have the original hard-back (RHM) edition of the Tal book. I read it, but it seems like a billion years ago.
|Jul-28-06|| ||weisyschwarz: Missed it. Tried Ng6+ a move too early.|
|Jul-29-06|| ||Richard Taylor: I found this one but first of all I looked at the knight check. Typical Sicilian attack or counter attack.|
|Jul-31-06|| ||Richerby: <makaveli52: `Would require way too much research [to find an unsound Tal combination], probably have to find a blitz game he played at the age of 3.'> Lots of Tal's sacrifices are unsound, to the extent that he once said, `There are two types of sacrifice: correct ones and mine'. The key point about Tal's sacrifices is not that they are necessarily sound but that they are very hard to refute over the board: they were sound enough to win and that's what mattered to him. Who cares if a sacrifice isn't sound but takes two weeks' work to refute?|
|Jul-31-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Well said.
|Aug-05-06|| ||patzer2: At first glance, Tal's 22.Qd5! appears to be a simple double attack, threatening the loose Rook or the decisive win of the exchange as in the game continuation. |
However, I have little doubt that Tal had considered the strongest reply 22...Rd8 as pointed out by <eaglewing>.
One possibility is 22. Qd5! Rd8! 23. e5! (not 23. Qxa8?? Nb6+ ) 23...Rb8 24. Ng6+! Kg7 (not 24...hxg6?? 25. Rh3+ ) 25. exf6+! Nxf6 26. Qxd8 Rxb3! 27. Ne5! Rb7! 28. Qxc8 Qd5+ 29. Kc1 Qb5 30. Qc6! Qb2+ 31. Kd2 Qd4+ 32. Ke2 Re7 33. Qf3 Qc4+ 34. Kf2 Qxc2+ 35. Kg1 Rc7! 36. h3 (+1.31 @ 14 depth, move-by-move with Fritz 8) with a clear advantage for White.
Black has a number of difficult traps to defend against in this line, and one small mistake on defense could result in a win for White. Seems to me this was the essence of Tal's "true sacrfices."
|Aug-17-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: A brilliant partie.
The great Tal had so many of these, that its easy to miss one. This one probably deserves to be better known, it is an extremely intriguing combination.
|Feb-21-08|| ||whatthefat: Is White able to find an advantage after 13...Qb6?|
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