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|Jul-18-12|| ||vardeep: well.. happy to solve a mate in 7 puzzle...but on another note after white's 15. Bd3 black might just as well take the dark squared bishop with hxg5...what could be the possible continuation of this line.. i see no immediate mating threats to black...|
|Jul-18-12|| ||GordonL: What is wrong with 20 .... Bd7|
|Jul-18-12|| ||Djoker: Every move is forcing, no need to look for alternates It calls for a queen sac
21. Qxf8+ Rxf8
22. Rxf8+ Ke7
23. Re8+ Kf7
24. Rf1+ Kg6
25. Bd3+ Kh5
26. Rh8+ Kg4
|Jul-18-12|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: White is down a piece for a pawn, but can initiate a king hunt that ends in mate:|
21.Qxf8+ Rxf8 22.Rxf8+ Ke7 23.Re8+ (not 23.Rdf1?? Qxe5 and the BK can escape to d6) Kf7 24.Rf1+ Kg6 25.Bd3+ Kh5 (Kh6 26.Rh8#) 26.Rh8+ Kg4 27.Be2#
Working longer combinations like this (where there are few defensive alternatives) is very important for developing strong visualization skills.
|Jul-18-12|| ||Memethecat: A good ole' fashion King chase, all of blacks moves are forced.|
21.Qxf8+ Rxf8 22.Rxf8+ Ke7 23.Re8+ Kf7 24.Rf1+ Kg6 25.Bd3+ Kh5 (25...Kh6 26.Rh8#) 26.Rh8+ Kg4 27.Be2#
Sublime play from Tal.
|Jul-18-12|| ||goodevans: Given his overall poor record (just 5.5%) it's amazing that NN has had the gaul to go head-to-head with the mighty Mikhail Tal on no fewer than 8 occasions.|
Unsurprisingly he lost all 8 in spectacular fashion, lasting an average of just over 21 moves per game.
|Jul-18-12|| ||jonnyjack: Why not 23. Rdf8
That would make the Threat 24. R1f7# without any stopping it for black. Quicker than the game continuation?
|Jul-18-12|| ||James D Flynn: 21.Qxf8+ Rxf8 22.Rxf8 Ke7 23.Re8+(not 23.Rdf1 Qxe5 creating an escape route for the Black K via d6 and c5 to the Q side) Kf7 24.Rf1+ Kg6 25.Bd3+ Kh5 26.Rh8+ Kg4 27.Be2#|
|Jul-18-12|| ||Memethecat: <goodevans> NN probably has the worst record in chess history, but he's been competing at a very high level for over 200yrs, so hats off to him.|
<Gofer> Tal has never been accused of playing consistently 'sound' moves, yet his inferior play was exciting & it worked against some of greatest players the world has ever known. Some superstitious souls said he hypnotized his opponents & that's why he could get away with occasionally playing poor moves.
|Jul-18-12|| ||Patriot: 21.Qxf8+ Rxf8 22.Rxf8+ Ke7 23.Re8+ Kf7 24.Rf1+ Kg6 25.Bd3+ Kh5 26.Rh8+ Kg4 27.Be2#|
|Jul-18-12|| ||gofer: <Memethecat:> Well he was pretty useful, even at the ripe old age of 56.|
Here Tal gives up a bit against the then reigning World Champion (who was no slouch at blitz) and Kasparov returns by giving up everything after just 17 moves...
Tal vs Kasparov, 1992
So this is at least one example where he certainly did <hypnotized his opponents>...
|Jul-18-12|| ||Castleinthesky: Tal and Nezhmetdinov are my two favorites. If it's a Tal problem, there must be a queen sacrifice!|
|Jul-18-12|| ||BwanaVa: General to above comments:
I too thought 23.Rdf1 followed by R1f7 mate was unstoppable and quicker.
If 20...Bd7 then the black queen no longer covers f7. I suspect then Tal plays Qf7+ and bad things start to happen...
|Jul-18-12|| ||PhilFeeley: Let's start with QxN+ and see where we get. I love queen sacs!!|
1. QxN+ RxQ
2. RxR+ Ke7
3. Re8+ Kf7
4. Rf1+ Kg6
5. Bd3+ Kh5
6. Rh8+ Kg4
all pretty much forced.
And I see from the game score that this is correct.
|Jul-18-12|| ||poszvald: Zatrikion: after Rf1 black answeres with Qxe5 and I think with that black escapes and wins the game.|
|Jul-18-12|| ||kevin86: Queen sac leads to quick mate after forced march of king.|
|Jul-18-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: Pretty sure I got this one, but I think it's entirely possible that I first considered the Q sac solely because I saw the name Tal. So I'm thinking it may be a very pretty mate in 7, almost all forced:|
Bd3+ Kh5 [...Kh6 --> Rh8#]
Pretty sure I nailed it and, again, while Tal's name was a hint that some crazy attacks were coming, I'm still pretty proud of myself for spotting a mate 6 or 7 moves out. It's not too long ago I wouldn't have come close.
|Jul-18-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: Sorry I forgot to write the Rh8+ Kg4 before the final mating move.|
|Jul-18-12|| ||chrisowen: Tunafish Tal owly as ever at ooomph Qxf8 leads to very fine demise |
after invasion along top rank hi nelly it sac in low and behold
single aim another gem in there aether for kingd8 bet in kirsch
full-loaf celebrate dig in claw back rank in clink again 21.Qxf8
Rxf8 22.Rxf8+ Ke7 23.Re8+ Kf7 24.Rf1+ Kg6 25.Bd3+ Kh5 26.Rh8+ Kg4
27.Be2#. At fetching black knight looks a d7 could provide stiffer
hope Tal in nitpicking his way across pin dutifuls king gets stuck
in dreading mating a net swoops lift in e7 one have re8+ in
staircase would face rf1+ plummet in kingg6.
|Jul-18-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: A tremendous puzzle as it is a WC Tal puzzle!!
<21. Qxf8+! Rxf8 22. Rxf8+ Ke7 23. Re8+ Kf7 24. Rf1+ Kg6 25. Bd3+ Kh5>
(25...Kh6 26. Rh8#)
<26. Rh8+ Kg4 27. Be2#>
|Jul-18-12|| ||gawain: Nice King hunt.I wish NN had played one more move. Sure, by move 26 he had finally grasped that he he would be mated. I would either have resigned sooner or played it all the way to the bitter end.|
|Jul-18-12|| ||MikeB20: Qxf8+ Rxf8
and mate in 2
|Jul-18-12|| ||Memethecat: <gofer> its difficult to see why Kasparov threw the towel in, maybe time. So another dodgy sac by Tal leads to another scalp, & what a scalp. |
I think because so many of his crazy moves are devastatingly good, when he makes a bad one, his opponents spend an eternity trying to work out what he's up to, then end up in time trouble.
|Jul-18-12|| ||sarayu: Fairly easy if you have the luxury of playing it out as a puzzle, but i probably couldn't keep those moves in my head well enough to risk a queen sacrifice otb.|
|Jul-18-12|| ||bischopper: 21.Qxf8+ ...and take easy to end|
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