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Mikhail Tal vs Joe Eversole
"Worst. Move. Eversole." (game of the day Feb-04-12)
Chicago (1988)  ·  Alekhine Defense: Saemisch Attack (B02)  ·  1-0
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Feb-04-12  goodevans: <Blunderdome> I did a bit of research and you're absolutely right about one thing, this corruption is not recent. I've found references to it dating back about 50 years. I particularly liked Isaac Asimov's reaction: <"I donít know people stupid enough to say this.">

You're wrong, though, that everyone <knows> both expressions have the same meaning. Sometimes it takes a little while for American idioms to spread to the rest of the world (although this spread does seem inexorable). Perhaps this explains why I thought it was recent.

I'm very dubious about the merits of saving a syllable at any cost. It's a battle I keep fighting even though I know I'm losing. Sometimes it seems that I'm the only one who still uses "invitation" when all around me save themselves two syllables a pop by using the verb instead. I guess I've just got too much energy to feel I need to conserve it by saving the odd syllable!

Feb-04-12  Shelter417: I suppose it's the same principle as saying "that will teach you to do [so and so]" when it would be more (literally) accurate to say "that will teach you NOT to do [so and so]."
Feb-04-12
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  sfm: <kevin86: ... after Kxh4 Nxg2 forking king and queen is met by bishop takes. Chess blindness? could be.>
Possibly, though the position after 27.-,Nxg2+ 28.Kg3(?),NxQ 29.fxN isn't worth opening eyes at either...

Now, if just that pawn at h4 had been covered... Well, at least Eversole will be able to entertain his grandkids about the time he *almost* mated a former World Champion.

Feb-04-12  goodevans: <Shelter417> Hands up. You got me there!
Feb-04-12  goodevans: <sfm> You beat me to it. I was about to post something almost identical.

Yes, I'm sure that chess blindness was involved and that in this instance Eversole thought that h4 would still be covered by the pawn on g5.

Feb-04-12
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  FSR: <goodevans> I also hate "could care less." But there is no a in "tendency." :-)

<newzild> I wish CG.com in selecting GOTD would emphasize game quality much more than punnability. For example, (ahem) F Rhine vs D Sprenkle, 1981 and F Rhine vs A Boerkoel, 1996 are great games, much better than this one, but will probably never be GOTD because they don't lend themselves to stupid puns.

<PhonyBenoni> It was a simul. I believe that it was the same simul in which I lost to Tal. If I happen upon that game, maybe I'll waste my time inputting it so CG.com can not add it to the database, as with the other games I submit.

Feb-04-12  King Death: <Blunderdome: <goodevans> Yup, my usage is a corruption of the original phrase "could not care less." There's nothing recent about saving a syllable, though, and everyone knows both expressions have the same meaning...>

This isn't true, to state that "I could care less" implies that somebody does care although it's often used the same way as the intended meaning.

Feb-04-12  King Death: < FSR:...If I happen upon that game, maybe I'll waste my time inputting it so CG.com can not add it to the database, as with the other games I submit.>

What criteria are used? I've seen some absolute crap in this DB between players who aren't even your strength and I'm not talking about players like Kelly Cottrell, all of whose games were either in the US Championship or against strong masters.

Feb-04-12
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  FSR: <King Death> I doubt they've actually <rejected> my games, they just have a huge backload and never get around to them. They claim to have criteria, but sometimes you wouldn't know it.
Feb-04-12  TheTamale: <newzild> - Chessgames.com is not wasting your time. You are electing to come here, presumably because of the value they've provided for you heretofore. This value, by the way, comes in the form of a FREE SERVICE. I just don't understand people complaining about things they get for free.

As for the game itself, I imagine it's difficult to come up with both outstanding games and puzzles on a daily basis, so it doesn't overly dismay me when CG drops the ball now and then. Rather than being resentful, I am grateful for all the enjoyment they have provided me with over the years for FREE.

(I am not trying to be rude to you personally; rather, I have heard many say the same thing for quite a while and am addressing my distaste for the idea in general.)

Feb-04-12
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  sleepyirv: What kind of value does criticizing of the GOTD have? Do you think cg.com isn't putting enough effort into a free service? What kind of artistic merit should we expect from some random website feature? Is it really easy to make up a pun for a worthy game every day? Can you do it? You can provide puns yourself, if you want.

I usually don't make "Can you do better" argument for things like movies, music, etc. but this is sorta ridiculous. You might want to reassess why you even use cg.com if this stuff bothers you.

Feb-04-12  rapidcitychess: Chessgames.com is not some gigantic corporation that has a staff of 500 people to look through games. ( And seemingly 2 people in the customer service hotline.)

So just cut them some slack, k? ^.^

Feb-04-12  goodevans: You guys are all missing the point. The criticism, mine at least, is not directed at CG.com but at the knuckleheads who submit dull games for GOTD just because they think they've found good puns for them.
Feb-04-12
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  parisattack: Tal seems to have liked this variation against the Alekhine. I find games against Podgaets and Lein. He excelled at getting his opponent to assist his development - 4. bc: opens a line for the Rook and a3-f8 for the Bishop.

Tho not a 'high quality' game Black made a fight of it - and there is always something you can learn from less than five-star efforts.

As to CG.com - You're doing a heck of a job, Davie! :)

Feb-04-12
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  zakkzheng: Its time for bloopers!
Feb-04-12  hedgeh0g: <FSR> <I doubt they've actually <rejected> my games, they just have a huge backload and never get around to them. They claim to have criteria, but sometimes you wouldn't know it.>

Those five hundred scholastic AJ games aren't going to upload themselves.

Feb-04-12
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  SteinitzLives: Looking at blacks' last couple of attacking moves, a better pun might be: Quoth the raven: neversole!
Feb-04-12  sarah wayne: Benoni this was tournament first rould I think.Joe was about a 200o player we both play Alekhine's defense.I beat him once 4-0 in an all Alekhine match,but later he got some revenge in a tournament victory in Colorado.
Feb-04-12
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  Phony Benoni: <sarah wayne> Thanks for clearing that up.
Feb-04-12
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  OhioChessFan: <FSR: I doubt they've actually <rejected> my games, they just have a huge backload and never get around to them. They claim to have criteria, but sometimes you wouldn't know it.>

<hedgehog: Those five hundred scholastic AJ games aren't going to upload themselves.>

Finding 500 puns to meet the clamoring for all of them to be GOTD is going to take some time.

Feb-04-12  Blunderdome: <goodevans> I probably misrepresented myself by bringing the number of syllables into it. I'm actually not a practical linguist at all, there's just something about omitting "not" that appeals to me in this case. I'm willing to accept that you and Asimov think I'm stupid.

<You're wrong, though, that everyone <knows> both expressions have the same meaning.>

True, and many people don't speak English and don't know either meaning. Others may not know what a "knucklehead" is, exactly. When you use language you run the risk that others may misunderstand you. For example, I didn't expect you to take my use of the word "everyone" literally.

Feb-05-12  newzild: <TheTamale: <newzild> - Chessgames.com is not wasting your time. You are electing to come here, presumably because of the value they've provided for you heretofore. This value, by the way, comes in the form of a FREE SERVICE. I just don't understand people complaining about things they get for free.>

Allow me to help you to understand.

Although chessgames.com is providing a free service, for which I am grateful, the website operators are presumably interested in offering the best service/product they can.

In attempting to do this, chessgames.com is choosing to provide its readers with games based solely on attempted puns, presumably in the belief that its readers are more interested in puns than they are in quality chess.

I am providing chessgames.com with feedback to help them understand that they are operating under a misconception.

My reason for doing this is not to "complain", but to add my weight to calls for the website operators to change their behaviour. In doing so, they will provide a better service and thus attract more readers, which is presumably one of their aims.

Feb-05-12  TheTamale: <newzild>: Okay, fair enough.

(I share your distaste for games being chosen purely on pun value, especially when the puns are lame anyway.)

Feb-06-12
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  TheFocus: <Those five hundred scholastic AJ games aren't going to upload themselves.>

I am eagerly looking forward to the next 500 scholastic games of <AJ> from such illustrious tournaments as the <Milk and Cookies Open> and the <Nap Time for Kiddies Classic>.

And I can't hardly wait for the YouTube Videos that go along with them.

Feb-06-12  King Death: <TheFocus> Yeah, I can't wait either to see the masterpieces from all of those category -12 events.

Super Gold! The being that can crush 1200 players in a single bound! You're 1542? Nyuk nyuk nyuk! Time to die!

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