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|Nov-03-03|| ||ughaibu: This is the incorrect score according to the article linked by Resignation Trap. |
|Oct-07-07|| ||The Chess Express: 5. Ba3 Nd7 6. f4 c5 7. Nf3 Qa5 is better. Black can also try 5. Bas b6 6. Nf3 c5|
|Feb-04-12|| ||Phony Benoni: OK. I don't really see the sense of this on any level. In particular, I'd expect a pun like "Worst. Move. Ever" to be used on a game where the loser plays a Double Grande El Stinko in a winning position. Black was never close to that. It was more like "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy"; the more he struggled, the deeper he got into trouble.|
Even giving the queen away isn't that bad a move. If she moves to safety, White wins a rook and knight anyway. No big deal.
And, yes, I understand the Ever=Eversole connection. That's no excuse.
|Feb-04-12|| ||Yodaman: I agree with Phony Benoni.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||newzild: Silly attempt at a pun when there is no pun (due to the absence of a worst move ever).|
The game was mildly interesting, however.
|Feb-04-12|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: I do believe that the American animated television comedy called "The Simpsons" has a character with little more to do than say "Worst. <fill in the blank>. Ever." As in "Worst. Star Wars movie. Ever. I shall see it only five more times. Today."|
Or words to that effect.
|Feb-04-12|| ||Girkassa: I suppose the pun is directed to the move 24...g5, as Black could play 24...Qxd3 instead. Still, there must be many ways for White to win that position, so it's nowhere close to being the worst move ever. In particular, 25.Be4 seems to win heavy material by force. Black could try 25...Qe2+ 26.Qxe2 Nxe2, but after 27.Rc2 it's all over.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||sarah wayne: Why this is game of day is beyond me,however I know Joe Eversole.He said Tal criticized 8...nf8.recomening instead 8...kf8.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||goodevans: When I saw the pun I came to this game hoping to find a nice addition to my <find the worst move> collection.|
Nope. Not good enough. Didn't pass quality control.
|Feb-04-12|| ||erniecohen: <sarah wayne> I'm not sure what Tal had against 8...f8, but it had nothing to do with Black losing the game. 17...xg2 18. g1 0-0-0 19. c2 cxb5 20. xg2 xd3 21. cxb5 g6 22. xd3 xd3 |
|Feb-04-12|| ||Rookey: I don't know why the GOTD so often gets critisized for being not worthy in quality. If you want best quality, watch your computer playing against itself. Humans are already out of the scope for that quality level. Yet, chess remains also a game for human players, just because there is much more about it than always playing the best move.|
Also, we can learn much about wrong moves or wrong plans or plans going wrong. As the honorable master Laszlo Orban pointed out, to improve yourself, you need to understand yourself, and to understand yourself, you have to find what is in the core of your playing, and there were the simple insights you once got as a beginner. If you find back to that roots, you are ready to become renewed and do moves again to just find out whats behind, and not to win most easily.
|Feb-04-12|| ||newzild: <Rookey: I don't know why the GOTD so often gets critisized for being not worthy in quality. If you want best quality, watch your computer playing against itself.>|
When people come to the GOTD and spend their precious time clicking through the game, they expect that they will be rewarded with something special. A brilliant combination, perhaps, or maybe an unusual plan, or an instructive mate.
However, if the game has no such merits, but has been chosen merely because the names of the participants lend themselves to an attempted pun, I personally find it annoying that chessgames.com should waste my time in such a fashion.
|Feb-04-12|| ||Penguincw: Well, at least Tal still has the skills, sort of.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||HeMateMe: He never sole it coming.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||Blunderdome: I have to disagree. I could care less about the game, I just want to see the puns.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||goodevans: <Blunderdome>, What is it with the recent tendancy to say "I could care less" instead of "I <couldn't> care less"? Think about it for just a second: "I could care less" can only mean that I do care some, which isn't what you're trying to say, is it?|
<Rookey>, I'm with <newzild> on this one, although maybe my standards are a little less exacting. For me, the GOTD just has to have <something> going for it, and that something can quite easily be an amazing blunder.
The blunder that decided today's GOTD is just a routine miscalculation. Compare that with one from a previous GOTD, Beliavsky vs L E Johannessen, 2002.
|Feb-04-12|| ||sfm: Had the colors been reversed, the pun
"Ever so le-Tal"
could juuust have passed. ;-)
|Feb-04-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <sarah wayne> Thanks for the insight. We don't often get first hand information about these games and the people behind them. |
Maybe Joe didn't play a great game here, but not too many people played well against Tal! He fought hard and showed some imagination, which I'm sure Tal appreciated.
Just for the record, do you know if this was played in a simultaneous exhibition by Tal, or was it a tournament game? Just like to have the record straight.
As for the major debate, I don't mind having "lower-quality" games for GOTDs. Having had two of them myself, I'd better not mind. But I do like them to have some element of interest, and I get tired of "puns" that are based strictly on a player's name and bear little or no relation to the action of the game.
I don't have a big quarrel with today's game, but the "pun" really bothered me. Maybe I need to get a life.
|Feb-04-12|| ||Blunderdome: <goodevans> Yup, my usage is a corruption of the original phrase "could not care less." There's nothing recent about saving a syllable, though, and everyone knows both expressions have the same meaning, despite appearing to be antonyms.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||kevin86: In the final position it looks like (in some eyes) white woulod lose the queen,but after Kxh4 Nxg2 forking king and queen is met by bishop takes.|
Chess blindness? could be.
|Feb-04-12|| ||goodevans: <Blunderdome> I did a bit of research and you're absolutely right about one thing, this corruption is not recent. I've found references to it dating back about 50 years. I particularly liked Isaac Asimov's reaction: <"I donít know people stupid enough to say this.">|
You're wrong, though, that everyone <knows> both expressions have the same meaning. Sometimes it takes a little while for American idioms to spread to the rest of the world (although this spread does seem inexorable). Perhaps this explains why I thought it was recent.
I'm very dubious about the merits of saving a syllable at any cost. It's a battle I keep fighting even though I know I'm losing. Sometimes it seems that I'm the only one who still uses "invitation" when all around me save themselves two syllables a pop by using the verb instead. I guess I've just got too much energy to feel I need to conserve it by saving the odd syllable!
|Feb-04-12|| ||Shelter417: I suppose it's the same principle as saying "that will teach you to do [so and so]" when it would be more (literally) accurate to say "that will teach you NOT to do [so and so]."|
|Feb-04-12|| ||sfm: <kevin86: ... after Kxh4 Nxg2 forking king and queen is met by bishop takes.
Chess blindness? could be.>
Possibly, though the position after 27.-,Nxg2+ 28.Kg3(?),NxQ 29.fxN isn't worth opening eyes at either...
Now, if just that pawn at h4 had been covered... Well, at least Eversole will be able to entertain his grandkids about the time he *almost* mated a former World Champion.
|Feb-04-12|| ||goodevans: <Shelter417> Hands up. You got me there!|
|Feb-04-12|| ||goodevans: <sfm> You beat me to it. I was about to post something almost identical.|
Yes, I'm sure that chess blindness was involved and that in this instance Eversole thought that h4 would still be covered by the pawn on g5.
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