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|Apr-28-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: This puzzle, according to HIARCS, is the most difficult one since I started my experiment with "objective" evaluation of puzzle difficulty (see my forum for details).|
On the other hand, it might be one of those positions where humans are still way better than software in finding the correct move.
|Apr-28-07|| ||ForeverYoung: I'll take a success on this puzzle by guessing the first three moves by White.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||tallinn: The first thing I saw was that blacks position looked very bad. The second thing I saw was that black was TIMMAN! And white someone I never heard of for that matter. So I concluded I am about to beat Timman if I get this one. Well, that IS motiviation. I would have expected such a position for Timman - not against.|
Looking at the position the first thing I noticed was that black is about to consolidate with Nf8. So something fast and forcing should happen. The field e6 is attracting the eyes, but Ne6 looks unexploitable - but, threading it forces hxg6 after Bxg6 giving the white queen access to h8. Since nothing else is left to attack the black king root manouvres like Rc3-g3 or Re4-h4 start appearing in the picture and blacks pieces other then the knights do not really defend blacks position. At this point I saw the line up to Rxh5 gxh and was very convinced that nothing will work against Rc3 then.
It was one of the few times Fritz defended like expected on a saturday:
27.Bxg6 hxg6 28.Re4 Sf8 29.Rh4 Nh5 30.Rxh5 gxh5 31.Rc3 e6 32.dxe6 Rxe6 33.Rxe6 Rxe6 34.Rg3+ Qg5 35.Rxg5+ Nxg5 36.Qxg5+ Kf8 37.Qd5 Kg7 and yellow bars all over the place to my favour and pleasure.
That was fun.
|Apr-28-07|| ||openningspecialist: For all interested 27. Re6 results in 27. ... Nf8 28. Re2 e6 29. dxe6 Nxe6 looking very drawn.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||Gilmoy: Got it up to 30 g4 -- I think it's a won endgame (see below). Black weasels out of the mate (I had e5 Qf6-g7 instead of e6), but White still has some fireworks.|
Saw that Re6 isn't forcing, Nxh7 premature, Re4 untouchable. I play Nf8 myself to beat off weak K-side attacks, so I saw it. Eventually saw that Bxg6 forces hxg6, which opens threats at h8. Then Nh5 is book in many fianchetto defenses -- and the exchange sac is book in beating them :)
<Skylark: 30. g4 e6 31. gxh5 Qf6 32. hxg6 Nxg6 33. dxe6 fxe6 34. Kh1!> I had 34 Qh7+ Kf8 35 Rg4. The Black King is in jail -- he's got no flight squares, plus he blocks Nf8. Now Black can't relieve pressure by trading Qs: 35 .. Qg7 36 Qh5 (threatening 37 Nh7+ with a double on the Knight). The Knight has no good moves: 35 .. N(e7,e5,f4,h8)? 36 Nxe6+ mate fork by Qg7 or Rg8 -- Black Q's is overworked, and he must accept every check-sac because his King's in jail. Or 35 .. Qg7 36 Qh5 Ne5? 37 Nxe6+ same sac wins the Q.
35 .. Re7 36 Qh5 and 37 Nh7+ royal fork + double on Ng6. Other Q or R moves (e.g. 35 .. Qb2??) are not feasible because of Qf7#.
Meanwhile, White is threatening 36 Ne4 triple-fork: f6, d6, and the double on Ng6. Black has one move to solve all of those threats, and I don't see one.
I like the Rg1 idea, but White has a free check to put the K in jail *and* tie down all 4 of Black's pieces, and it seems a shame to pass that up.
|Apr-28-07|| ||outplayer: I wanted to play 28.Ne6.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||aazqua: Re6 followed by Re1. I defy someone to provide a defense. THe rook remains inviolate at the f pawn is needed for defense of g6 and the knight can always recapture and threaten mate which is not easily defended (nh6 is trouble after either b*g6 or g5).|
|Apr-28-07|| ||newton296: got this up to move 30 where I puzzled about how to proceed. considered the rook sak at h5 but couldnt fing the needed Nxf7 sak that makes it work , so I chickened out with g4 figuring I got the saked material back and still have enough attack going to win the endgame.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||newton296: wish I had seen the elegant Nxf7 produced by hiarcs . I would love to play that move otb! Oh well , been doing puzzles now for about 1 month and I Could never get this when I started. Great way to improve your play! these puzzles are great!|
|Apr-28-07|| ||aginis: 27.Re6 Qb6 28.Re1 Rxc4 29.Rxe7 Rxe7 30.Rxe7 Rc1+ 31.Kh2 Qxf2|
|Apr-28-07|| ||cn1ght: can someone answer my question?
"Apr-28-07 cn1ght: why 31. Rf3...?
why not just skip it and do 32. RxH5 a move faster? Not that it matters, but doesn't rf3 give black a move to try and complicate things, which isn't done anyway...?"
I mean whether black rook on c8 or c7 makes 0 differences as far as i can see and the rook stays on the same rank so why did he move rook?!?!?
|Apr-28-07|| ||Timex: <cn1ght> 31. Rf3 attacks f7, forcing black to defend it because if he doesn't white will capture on there with the knight, threatening Qh8#. If you play the immediate 31. Rxh5, you will run into 31... gxh5 32. Nxf7 Kxf7. Rf3 defends the knight if it captures of f7, and forces a rook onto f7 to blockade his own king later.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||kevin86: I gave up on this one early-my try was Re6,but that leads nowhere.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||fm avari viraf: I am watching the Cricket World Cup final between Australia & Sri Lanka mean-time I was just going through this lovely game & found that White with great determination & accuracy skilfully ripped the Black's castle fortress with a Bishop & exchanged Rook sac leaving the Black King no haven but just hell.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||aragorn69: Great game! First time I see it, I think. And first time, for sure, that I hear of this amazing slugger Poutiainen!|
|Apr-28-07|| ||cn1ght: <Timex>
if kxf7 r-f3+ and white still mates because if k-e7 q-g7++
if k-g8 then r-g3+ (queen block does nothing knight block queen takes knight k moves q-g7++)k-f7 r-g7++
longest variation if queen and knight sac'd makes 37 moves. Longest in game ends with queen, knight, and rook sacked and last move is 37. qxg7++
its same number of moves unless I am not seeing something. And if I'm not R-f3 does not make it any faster...
|Apr-28-07|| ||mikejaqua: I can only say, "Wow!" I didn't get this combo at all, but it was a pleasure to watch it play out.|
|Apr-28-07|| ||keypusher: the player of the white pieces died just three years after this game, age 26. Can anybody tell me more than appears in his bio? Judging from this game he was very talented.|
|Apr-29-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <cn1ght: can someone answer my question?
"Apr-28-07 cn1ght: why 31. Rf3...?>
Your question HAS BEEN answered. Here's the answer again:
<MostlyAverageJoe: <cn1ght: why 31. Rf3...? why not just skip it and do 31. RxH5> (numbering corrected - MAJ)
31 ... Qf6 prevents checkmate, and 32 ... Qg7 forces exchange, stopping the white>
Incidentally, the analysis below is incorrect.
<Timex: <cn1ght> 31. Rf3 attacks f7, forcing black to defend it because if he doesn't white will capture on there with the knight, threatening Qh8#. If you play the immediate 31. Rxh5, you will run into 31... gxh5 32. Nxf7 Kxf7>
Move 31... gxh5 in the line above is very bad, because of 32 dxe6 (which also goes to show that
32. Nxf7 is bad). If 32 ... fxe6, then forced mate in 6, if 32 ... f6. then forced mate in 16. The only non-immediately losing response is 32 ... Rxe6, followed by a slaughter, e.g.:
33. Nxe6 Nxe6 34. Rg3+
and black must sacrifice the queen.
So, the bottom line is:
31. Rxh5? Qf6! and white has minor advantage (1 pawn), but nothing else.
|Apr-29-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <aazqua: Re6 followed by Re1. I defy someone to provide a defense. ...>
OK, you have been defied.
27. Re6 Nf8 28. Rce1 fxe6
Your move. Feel free to continue on my forum.
|Apr-29-07|| ||ALEXIN: Really difficult to find the double sacrifice !!|
|Apr-29-07|| ||cn1ght: <MostlyAverageJoe>
oh, I did check first page but failed to see your comment I apologize.
As to my numbering wrong, I meant the fact that he made the move on 32 not that it would be move 32, I included the 32 because that is when the move was made it was not a mistake.
|May-20-07|| ||krippp: <keypusher: the player of the white pieces died just three years after this game, age 26. Can anybody tell me more than appears in his bio? Judging from this game he was very talented.>|
The Finnish version of wikipedia reads:
"Pertti Poutiainen was one of Finland's brightest natural talents in chess. He rose to prominence in the chessworld at the Nizza chess olympics in 1974. He was one of the few Finns who have been able to struggle evenly matched with the world's elite.
Serious mental disturbances and the pursuit of perfect play finally led him to commit suicide in 1978."
|Sep-24-07|| ||kevin86: I tried Nxf7 followed by Qxh7-but I don't know what to play after that.|
|Apr-06-11|| ||paavoh: Such an original opening and forceful attack by Poutiainen!
A pleasure to play through.|
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