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| Jun-29-06 |
| Poisonpawns: One way to jugde the greatness of a move is to list the circumstances around the game.That is usually exciting..i.e a must win situation,a WC match.Even though it is unsound I think Kasparovs early d5?! in the Sicilian in gm 16 1985 WCC was one of the greatest moves ever because of the circumstances,the opponent,and the gall to play something totallt new and untested against such an esteemed rival and the proceed to beat the CRAP!! out of him in what will be forever known as
the "Octopus Game" |
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| Jun-30-06 |
| Bobwhoosta: <Poisonpawns, "The Octopus Game"> You know, I read through that game only recently, and it gave me a new sense of what space is. I'd like to say that Bird vs. Morphy, Qxf3!! has always been one of my favorites, but you can't really cite any of Morphy's games if you look at the circumstances surrounding them (every one of them would go something like this "Morphy easily the favorite, against a scared opponent who feels somewhat like a child in his presence"). |
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Jun-30-06
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| keypusher: <BobWhoosta> Do you mean this game? Bird vs Morphy, 1858
Or this one?
Paulsen vs Morphy, 1857 |
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Sep-02-06
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| Albertan: Shirov had this to say about the move 47...Bh3!!:
"The idea of giving up the bishop in order to gain the necessary tempo seems very logical and easy to find..." , Ulf Andersson, would be able to rise to the challenge....' and goes on to explain that Andersson had played a similar move against Shirov 7 years before in this game on move 44: Shirov vs Ulf Andersson, 1991
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| Sep-14-06 |
| Topista: Could Topalov play30.Nf5?
It would may be lead to a draw.
What was te right way to play for Topalov? |
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| Dec-14-06 |
| sfm: This is as pretty as it gets. |
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| Apr-15-08 |
| IMFSTJP: 47..Bh3! is really pretty, there is no doubt about that! However, there is at least one another way to win using "normal moves". The second solution was tested for hours, even played many times against Fritz 10, with the engine always losing as White. The 2nd (normal) way to win was found and demonstrated by Greece multiple junior champion Haralabos Skoulakis (http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...) back in 2005 who kept all analysis then made. We will know the truth only after too-many-men tablebases have been generated. |
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| Apr-28-08 |
| zoat22: why has this never been the game of the day?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
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| May-13-08 |
| apexin: even when black was two pawns up the draw was probable, so shirov gets rid of a bishop making the so called immortal bishop sacrifice. |
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Jun-14-08
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| Timothy Glenn Forney: silman's endgame course pp460 47...Bh3!! |
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| Jun-14-08 |
| danielguo999444: I don`t get it.If Topalov is a really good player,why do other good players <always> beat him?Seriously. |
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Jun-19-08
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| Timothy Glenn Forney: topalov understands imbalances and positional exchange sacs better than anyone check out his games. |
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| Jun-20-08 |
| offtherook: <I don`t get it.If Topalov is a really good player,why do other good players <always> beat him?Seriously>
They don't. Topa wins some and loses some, like any other human. Of course, being among the strongest players alive, he tends to win more than he loses. |
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| Jun-25-08 |
| ravel5184: <to all> I A Nataf vs Chabanon, 2005 42. Kb5!! |
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| Jun-25-08 |
| vanytchouck: Somehow, i find Kb5 easier to find, because it's clear that any black pawn can pass and that the white king is faster than the black one. I even remember playing a move like that against Fritz 10 (playing from a position of a game between GMS). |
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Jul-02-08
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| Timothy Glenn Forney: <ravel5184> thanks for game link, a great endgame to study. |
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Jul-10-08
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| arsen387: yeah, Bh3! is really an impressive move. Other moves look like drawing, as the white K will have a superior position |
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| Jul-30-08 |
| ravel5184: <Timothy Glenn Forney> Well you're welcome! Finally, some positive feedback! :) (<- note the smiley) |
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| Aug-26-08 |
| IT4L1CO: < IMFSTJP: 47..Bh3! is really pretty, there is no doubt about that! However, there is at least one another way to win using "normal moves". The second solution was tested for hours, even played many times against Fritz 10, with the engine always losing as White. The 2nd (normal) way to win was found and demonstrated by Greece multiple junior champion Haralabos Skoulakis (http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...) back in 2005 who kept all analysis then made. We will know the truth only after too-many-men tablebases have been generated.> Which is this second solution?... |
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| Dec-19-08 |
| DwayneMeller: Great game...& that's an understatement! |
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Apr-21-09
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| plang: Topalov played the rare sideline 7 Bb5+
three times in the tournament: a short draw with Kasparov, this game and a fascinating fighting draw with Svidler where Topalov missed a win. Seirawan was very critical of 11 f3?! saying that White needs to challenge the e5 blockade. Shirov had played 11 Ba3 in a nice win over Smejkal in 1992 and 11 f4..exd 12 Nxd4 is another possibility. 11..Qe7 was new; 11..Re8 had been played previously. 25..Rxd4
26 Be3..Rad8 27 Re2 would not have worked for Black. Despite White's tepid opening he developed a powerful attack. Kasparov pointed out that
26 f6 and 27 e6 would have led to a quick win. Kasparov also suggested 34 Be7 as strong for White but Shirov gave 34..Re8 35 Bxd6..Rxe3 36 Qxe3..Bxe3 37 cxd..cxd as equal. After 34 cxd? Topalov was clearly worse though it was still a difficult game to win. A better defense would have been 42 Qa3 avoiding Shirov's 42..Qd5!. |
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| May-23-09 |
| Extremophile: 47...Bh3 is a "misclick" by Shirov. GOD this please! Everyone should see this game once in a life time! |
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| May-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 47.....Bh3!! clears the f5-square |
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Jun-21-09
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| Peligroso Patzer: < from Sep-06-04>
<lao tzu: just played over Keres vs Tal, 1957
cant help but wonder if Shirov knew Tal's 39...Bxf3 vs Keres.... > Another famous example of a piece sac in a minor piece ending (in this case the sac of a Bishop that was opposed by a Knight) to force through a pawn is from the fourth match game of Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971. |
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| Jun-22-09 |
| helixv: Yeah, talking about stunning moves...
Rubinstein vs Lasker, 1909
My bucks go for Rubinstein's 18. Qc1! in this famous game against reigning World Champion. Quiet moves just look too good for me to be omitted. |
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