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|Feb-10-06|| ||iamverywellatchess: There are many games that exist that have many fun ways!|
This might be one of them, if you "look for the check-mate"!
I will answer all of your questions at this point in time.
|Feb-10-06|| ||macphearsome: Now to clarify the confusion and mixed opinions amongs the kibitzers...|
is the threat e6+ or x ?
At first I thought it was e6+ forcing the king back to g7 and allowing the queen to check on the g file. However, after the bishop blocks, it looks like the king can gain a momentary respite from the attacks after e7+ is blocked by g7...
So is the quieter continuation, x, grabbing a free rook and putting a double attack on the bishop at g7, the better?
|Feb-10-06|| ||DanRoss53: I got 36. xg5! and 37. f7!, but missed 38. e7!! I was thinking 38. g4?? instead, but after 38... xb2+!, Black can force a draw.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||Hudson Hawk: <PizzatheHut> My vote if black plays 36. ...Qf2 would simply be to take the h-pawn with the bishop. I don't see too may viable responses for black in that situation. The best endgames black could hope for leave white with 3 additional pawns (two of them passed) favor white. Haven't gone too deep though, I'll have to ask Fritz later.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||PizzatheHut: <Hudson Hawk> My earlier comment about 36...Qf2 was in response to <gadfly>. He suggested that 36. h4 wins also, but it's difficult to see that after 36...Qf2. Perhaps it does still win, I haven't checked with Fritz, but it's certainly not as clear as the game continuation.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||zhentil: <dkulesh> That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. You mean you can only get half the puzzles, but you can still play 1200-level chess? Incroyable! Why do you even bother with the puzzles? Just challenge Topalov to a match!|
|Feb-10-06|| ||iamverywellatchess: Silly. We all know that many of the users of this web-page do not have not more than one-half of the skill that they say that they have! To say that you have large skill when you do not have even one-half of the large skill that you really have is not making us have fond rememberies for you!|
|Feb-10-06|| ||JustAFish: thought of 36 Rd7 planning 37 Rxd6 black queen moves, 38 Rxh6 Kxh6 39 Qxg5 Kh7 40 Qh5+ Bh6 41 Qxh6 mate. I think 36 ... Kh8 complicates this, however, and it no longer works. At that point, however, I think the line that was actually played still works. Any thoughts?|
|Feb-10-06|| ||patzer2: White's decoy 36. Bxg5!! prepares a decisive mating attack after 36...hxg5 37. Qf7! Kh6 38. Re7!|
|Feb-10-06|| ||dakgootje: Very nice puzzle, saw the idea but missed the moves ;-)|
|Feb-10-06|| ||alefromitaly: Saw all, very nice. Let's wait for the weekend to "rock".|
|Feb-10-06|| ||ganstaman: To everyone still talking about 36...Qf2, do you not like my earlier response that 37.Qf6 wins? I thought about 37.Bxh6, but I don't see how white forces a win after 37...Kxh6. Now, the pin is broken and white doesn't have enough 'checking' power. The black bishop can move, possibly to block a check, and that opens up the Rook and Queen to threaten mate on g2. That seems far from winning for white, IMO.|
One suggestion was 36.Bxg5 Qf2 37.Bf6, and then you say the white king can escape perpetual check? Hmmm, maybe you're right, actually. I keep getting stuck and confused. 37...Qf4+ 38.Kg1 Qe3+ 39.Kf1 Qf4+ 40.Ke(1 or 2) Qxe4+ 41.Kd(1 or 2) Qxd5+ 42.K-anywhere Qxg2
So maybe that's not perpetual, but I just won 3 pawns for black and got the queen defending the pinned bishop. I don't know, maybe I'm biased, but I think that only 37.Qf6 is the only decisive winner against 36...Qf2.
|Feb-10-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <Saw the sac but didn't see the continuation.>|
Well, <blingice>, I saw plenty of sacs, but what's the point if you don't see any continuation? :)
|Feb-10-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: I missed this puzzle completely by the way....was looking at 36.h4?? (ouch)|
|Feb-10-06|| ||zhentil: <ganstaman> in your line 37...Qf4+ 38 Kg1 Qe3+, white plays 39 Kh1 and it's over. There's no perpetual.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||ganstaman: <zhentil: in your line 37...Qf4+ 38 Kg1 Qe3+, white plays 39 Kh1 and it's over. There's no perpetual.>|
Ok, very nice. So Bf6 seems to work out too, I guess. That f6 square seems kinda good for white in this position despite being attacked by the black bishop and queen :)
|Feb-10-06|| ||kevin86: This is a nice gradual attack sequence that goes by the numbers:|
First:sac the bishop
Second:threaten mate with the queen
Finally:bring the rook into play,threatening mate at the same time.
|Feb-10-06|| ||buzzymind: Like some others here I thought of 36. f7. Not that I didn't consider 36. xg5, I liked 36. f7 because it limits black's options and I've made the threat 37. xg5 very real (sometimes the threat is stronger than the action). In addition, I didn't like black getting control of the f file by playing 36... f2. So, the 36.f7 was more positional for me and a move I would likely play in a regular game. But, I do agree with the continuation (36. xg5 f2 37. f6!). Simple enough win with the passed b-pawn once pieces are exchanged.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||YouRang: I got it! I figured (sort of guessed really) that 36 Bxg5 was the key move. After 36...hxg5, I looked at 37. Qxg5 for a while, but I couldn't make it stick. |
But then I (finally) considered 37. Qf7, which threatens Qh5# and also maintains pressure on g7, preventing black from moving his rook. The only trick was dealing with 37...Kh6. After a moment, I realized that 38. Re7! made an unstoppable threat of Re6 and soon mate. :)
|Feb-10-06|| ||TopaLove: 20 ... xe2 was a terrible mistake. It becomes a battle of good bishop x bad bishop.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||Nostalgia: <EmperorAtahualpa: I missed this puzzle completely by the way....was looking at 36.h4?? (ouch)>
Don't feel bad; I was too, until I played it on a board. :) They can't all be good ideas...|
|Feb-10-06|| ||doglikegroove: It must be one of the seven signs of the apocalypse; I solved a Friday, full line and all. Get your affairs in order...|
|Feb-10-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Thanks for the heads up. If Kramnik and Topalov announced they've agreed to a match, we'll know the end is near.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||RookFile: I was looking at 36. h4, that ...Qf2
is a terrific resource. Normally a move like that just plain wins.
|Feb-10-06|| ||Jacobb: (i AM VERY WELL AT CHESS)\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
PLEASE STOP BOTHERING PEOPLE WITH YOUR INSECURITIES. IF YOU WERE VERY WELL AT CHESS,WICH I HIGHLYLY DOUBT THEN YOU WOULD NOT FEEL THE NEED TO HASSLE OTHER S OPINIONS ON THE POSITION,WHO GENIUNLY APPRECIATE THE GAME.
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