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|Mar-06-12|| ||keypusher: <Oxspawn> You should write more often.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||benjinathan: <Oxspawn> I challenge this statement:<I am probably the worst player to visit this site >|
My way to solve was :
36.Rxf6 gxf6 37. Rxh6 Rh7 38. Qxh7#
Yeah! Solved !
What do you mean there is a black pawn on c2?
|Mar-06-12|| ||Pawn and Two: <sfm: What's wrong with the simple 35...Rxe6?>|
Your comment is exactly correct. Przepiorka could have won this game with 35...Rxe6!
After 35...Rxe6 36.Qf5 Rc6 37.Qd3 Qb8, Fritz indicates a win for Black: (-2.82) (26 ply) 38.Qe4 Re6 39.Qf5 Qb6 40.g3 Rb8, (or 38.Qc2 Qb6 39.g3 Re6 40.Qf5 Rb8), (-3.91) (23 ply) 41.Kg2 Re7 42.Rhxh6+ gxh6 43.Rxf6 Qb2+, (-4.35) (25 ply) 44.Kh3 Qb7 45.Rxh6+ Kg8 46.Qg6+ Rg7 47.Qe6+ Qf7 48.Qxf7 Kxf7, with a winning endgame for Black.
How Przepiorka could have selected 35...c2??, instead of 35...Rxe6!, is a real mystery. Perhaps his error was due to some horrible miscalculation.
Even time trouble does not offer a good explanation, as this was the tournament the most lenient of time controls. Note the time control rules in effect, as explained here, Salwe vs Tarrasch, 1906
As the tournament progressed, the financial penalties for exceeding the time limit were removed.
The Vidmar-Przepiorka game was played in the 12th round, by that time there may have been no time limit penalties, except for adjourned games, and Przepiorka should have had adequate time to reflect on his choice of moves.
|Mar-06-12|| ||dragon player: The black king is under heavy pressure of white's major pieces. But black threathens to promote. A sac should finish it:|
36. Rhxh6+ gxh6
Forced. (Rgxh6+ is has the same result)
37. Rxh6+ Kg7
If Rh7 Qxh7#
38. Qh7+ Kf8
39. Rxf6+ Rf7
Or 39... Qf7
and mate follows
40. Rxf7+ Qxf7
41. Qxf7 #
This must be it.
Time to check
Yeah, I was right
|Mar-06-12|| ||Oxspawn: <benjinathan> I bow the knee. I shouldn't have boasted about being worst. On the plus side you did focus on the part of the board with the most action!|
|Mar-06-12|| ||benjinathan: <Oxspawn> well, being second worst is still an accomplishment. I work on my chess a lot, so there is still hope for you yet!;0|
|Mar-06-12|| ||scormus: <Pawn and two .....>
Nice analysis, I didnt dig as deep but could see things looking black for White|
<How Przepiorka could have selected 35...c2??>
Yes, that was puzzling me too. ... c2 seems to have nothing that would encourage someone to play it, even if they miscalcuted. Even if W did not see the #winning Kside combo, 36 Qxc2 would leave him perfectly OK. Maybe one of those mental glitches I have plenty of myself?
|Mar-06-12|| ||Nemesistic: Mate in 5, and it doesn't matter which Rook takes the h6 pawn really.. It still wins|
|Mar-06-12|| ||kevin86: White wins quickly because black doesn't have enough force to stave off the attack;he can escape to f8,but the pawn added is enough to force a quick checkmate.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||Once: <Oxspawn> Very well written! Enjoyed it very much.|
Don't worry about where you rank amongst the fraternity. If you keep trying and stay curious, you'll probably find that Caissa will quietly sneak up behind you and stuff your head full of all sorts of arcane wisdom, pattern recognition, history, quotations and jokes about chess that only fellow chess players will find remotely funny.
Like the one about the two long-distance correspondence game players who send each other moves every ten months. One gets really worried because he hasn't heard from his partner in ages. Finally, many weeks after the usual deadline, he is thrilled to receive an envelope. He rips it open to read: "J'adoube".
And you probably won't notice it happening until one day you will read another kibitzer say "I found that really difficult" and you will realise that you didn't. It's a little frazzle-dance of electricity across the fingertips, a frisson of pleasure, a jolt of endorphins.
|Mar-06-12|| ||Memethecat: <gawain I never even noticed black's pawn poised on c2!> Snap! ^.^|
<Oxspawn> You'll do! Stick around & you WILL get better. If you need help most here will be pleased to oblige. Chess players love to learn stuff, but they like to pass that knowledge on almost as much, it makes them look smart (I include myself in all of this)
& we really like to look smart. So post away, its always nice to have new/different points of view.
|Mar-06-12|| ||Memethecat: <scormus: <gawain> if there is a Kaissa award for best avatar, it has to be yours!> scormus, on that subject, I spent a fair while looking through the avatars, but never saw the picture of that horrendously ugly man that you found. Where did you get it?|
|Mar-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: I had a nice break from Chess these past couple of days. I'll be solving the puzzles that I missed from Saturday onwards.|
Starting with today Tuesday, I'm liking 36. Rhxh6+ (36. Rgxh6+ works exactly the same for that matter) 36...gxh6 37. Rxh6+ Kg7 (37...Rh7 38. Qxh7#) 38. Qh7+ Kf8 39. Rxf6+ Rf7 40. Rxf7+ Qxf7 41. Qxf7#
|Mar-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Monday, March 5th
Keene vs R Calvo
40. Qxf8+ Kxf8 41. Re8+ Kg7 42. d8=Q wins easily as after 42...Qf5 (say) White could sac a pawn for the sake of simplification with 43. Rg8+ Kh6 44. Qg5+ Qxg5 45. hxg5+ Kxg5 46. Rc8
|Mar-06-12|| ||chrisowen: 36.rxh6 the principle reply it all forced head shopping for rook clocking h6,|
G7 mr in got he alarm a star Davids team soon ever falls in drips stor rxh6 38.qh7+ kf8 39.rxf6 ridge
Ring many it is alive f8 wails cast lead r6 fringe benefits setc option free exchanges in f7 black in good snap.
Refer it several most in kin people again choose in tucking h6 for king in empty it another heading rook g6 cinch for play
Hunkered down king in gliding then in come h7 and weve got brave <oxspawn> good luck!
Stipulate rook versus pawn shell h6 so apathy black cant win exactly it.
F6 in for low income pins him back even more in h6,
Prooff theres more than one way it is too skin an orange <g6 or h4> ar lest we elan for having much ado it sac in hero.
|Mar-06-12|| ||scormus: <Memethecat> What do you mean, where did I find it? My wife doesn't complain about my looks.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||gawain: Thanks <Scormus> for the kind words about my humble avatar.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Saturday, March 3rd
Gerassimov vs Smyslov.
Wicked sick! A Smyslov puzzle.
I'm liking 19...Rd3! 20. Qc2 [20. Bxd3?? Qxg2#; 20. Qxd3? Bh2+ 21. Kh1 Nxf2+ wins; 20. Qxb6 Rxh3! 21. Qxc6 (21. Bd4/Re2 Bh2+ 22. Kh1 Bxe5+ 23. Kg1 Bh2+ 24. Kh1 Bc7+ wins) 21...Bh2+ 22. Kh1 Nf2#]
20...Rd2 21. Qb1 (21. Qb3 Rxf2 and Black wins due to the threat of 22...Rxg2+; 21. Qe4 Bh2+ 22. Kh1 Nxf2+ wins) 21...Rxf2! 22. Qe4 Bh2+ 23. Kh1 Rxf1+ 24. Rxf1 Qxe4 and Black wins.
|Mar-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Right on! I'll come back on Wednesday with the solutions to both Wednesday, March 7th and Sunday, March 4th.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||Oxnard: Calculated to mate:
36. Rxh6+ gxh6 37. Rxh6+ Kg7 38. Qh7+ Kf8 39. Rxf6+ Qf7 40. Rxf7+ Ke8 41. Rxe7+ Kd8 42. Re8+ Kxe8 43. Qd7+ Kf8 44. Qf7#
|Mar-06-12|| ||Penguincw: Oops. Miscalculation . :-\|
|Mar-06-12|| ||zakkzheng: BLOWOUT FORT|
|Mar-06-12|| ||Check It Out: The black king kept "escaping" to f8, it took me a minute to visualize 39.Rxf6+.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||BOSTER: <Pawn and Two>.
<How Przepiorka could have selected 35...c2??, is a real mystery>.
This is the position after 30...bxc3 with white to play.
click for larger view
No doubt that black could count the variation like this 31.Nxf6 Rxf6 (forced) 32.Rxf6 gxf6 33.Rxh6+ Kg7 34.Rh7+ Kf8 35.Rxd7 and white win.
But this is position after 31.Nxf6 Rxf6 32.Rxf6.
click for larger view
In this strange position black move 32...c2 is very attractive, because to catch the queen on c1 is not easy, and open "g" file give black drawish chance.
My opinion that fact is: sometimes the player continue to see the position which was on the board, or in his head couple moves ago.
|Mar-06-12|| ||stst: Only by eyes:
might got it wrong, or miss something....
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