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Jun-18-04
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| Gypsy: Now just to see the finish from move 33. or at least from move 35. ... :-)) |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| themindset: although both Qe4 and Qd7 are winning, Qd7 is totally obliterating, as it wins the queen, rather than the rook. |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| Nomen Nescio: <crafty> is 39.Re4 sound? |
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Jun-18-04
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| crafty: 39.  e4 e6 40. xe6  xe6 41. d8+ g8 42. xc7  (eval 7.12; depth 18 ply; 500M nodes) |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| soberknight: Wolf, the loser of this game, beat Duras the same year in one of the longest decisive games in chess history. I don't know how to fiddle with the hyperlink, but just click on the link above where it says other games by Duras/H Wolf. It's great entertainment to play through 168 moves when you're REALLY bored. |
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Jun-18-04
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| Benzol: This reminds me of the finish to this game O Bernstein vs Capablanca, 1914 |
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Jun-18-04
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| Lucky1: How does white lose if he takes the queen on move 33? |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| 2ndNature: I must agree with <iron maiden>, yesterday's puzzle was much more difficult (at least to me). Today's one has this "back-rank" educational value. |
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Jun-18-04
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| acirce: <Lucky1> He doesn't, but he loses most of his advantage after 33...Rxg2+ 34. Kh1 Rxg5+ 35. Rhe4 Rf3, while 33. Ne4 is totally winning. |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| mymt: IronMaiden -38.Qe4 h6 39.Rf4 Qe6 40.Rf8# or 38.Qe4 g6 39.Rf4 Qe6 40.Qd4+ Kg8 41.Qd8+ Kg7 42.Qf8# [38.Qe4 attacks the R & the back rank] |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| MoonlitKnight: A lot of things win here it seems. I found the same solution as <Eatman>. |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| ruylopez900: Very nice puzzle. At first I thought Rf4 didn't work because Black would capture with check (I'm paranoid like that because I always miss the check and lose material :@) but then I remembered the White Queen and determined it was a won endgame. (esp since you come very close to being able to frok the King and Rook :)) |
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Jun-18-04
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| Gypsy: The puzzle actually comprises the last two moves of a fairly long combination starting, arguably, with the move 33.Ne4! It is certainly the culmination of 35-36.Re1-e6xc6! with retun of the exchange. White must not take the queen: 33.Rxh4? Rxg2+ 34.Kh1 Rxg5+ 35.Rhe4 (35.Ree4 Rf1+ =) Rf3! 36.Re8+Rf8+ 37.R8e4 Rf3 38.Kh2 Rf2+ 39.Kh1 Rf3 40.d4 (40.Re2? Rxh3+ 41.Rh2 Bxe4+ 42.dxe4 Rxc3 43.bxc3 Rxc5  ) Sxe4 41.Rxe4 Rf1+ =. Had Black tried 37...Kg8 (instead of 37...Qf6) the finish would go thus: 38.Qd8+ Kf7 39.Qd7+ Kf8 40.Re4! Qg6 41.Qd8+ Kf7 42.Qe8+ Kf6 43.Qe7+ Kf5 44.Qe5#. Black also set up dangerous traps earlier in the game, e.g., on move 29. |
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Jun-18-04
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| kevin86: Is Mr. Adams and Mr. Torre watching?
This is a good variation of their "game" in which white sacs his six times in succession! |
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Jun-18-04
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| patzer2: <Gypsy> Appreciate the observation about how the combination actually begins with 33. Ne4! From 35. Re6! through 39. Qd7! there are five consecutive deflection moves before Black resigns (faced with loss of his Queen or a back rank mate as noted by <themindset> above). Also, appreciate the observation about White not being able to take the Queen with 33. Rxh4? because of 33.Rxh4? Rxg2+ 34.Kh1 Rxg5+ 35.Rhe4 (35.Ree4 Rf1+ =) Rf3!! The move 35 Rf3!! in your analysis is an amazing drawing resource. Thanks for the contribution. |
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Jun-18-04
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| kevin86: Strange that Mr Duras has a 2-1 lead over Wolf---Wolf's win was far more (in)famous than Duras two. Wolf's long chase for a win lasted 168 moves! |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| chessmantra: hey, I have a question for you guys ... What is the best defense against Ruy Lopez or the Spanish Opening ... Please put forward your experiences, especially those games related to your tournaments |
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Jun-18-04
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| patzer2: I think the best defense to the Ruy Lopez depends upon your personal preference and style of play. If you like attacking gambit play, then the Marshall attack or the Open Variation can be fun. If you like playing with the two knights against the two bishops, then the Exchange version, which Fischer favored for so long, is OK. If you prefer unorthodox lines, then consider Bird's Defense, the Schilemann Defense or the Classical Defense with 3...Bc5. If you like the patient positional maneuvering style favored by most modern GMs, then you can play the standard closed lines most Masters play against it. Of course you can avoid 1. e4 altogether and play 1. c4 or 2. d4 with a lot fewer opening surprises and traps (Sicilian, Caro-Khan, Ruy Lopez, Alekhine, French, Pirc, Petroff, Centre-Counter gambit etc.) to have to worry with than in the 1. e4 lines. |
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Jun-18-04
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| acirce: Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense (C65) (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6) is a very solid defence, hard to crack and used by Kramnik for that purpose in his 2000 match against Kasparov. |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| jeremykelly2000: <patzer2: The answer 38. Rf4!! deflects Black to 38...Qe7, where 39. Qd7! wins the unprotected rook.> I'm not really sure what you mean here, but white wins the unprotected queen after 39.d7. There's no way to protect the queen AND protect the back rank mate. 39... e6 fails to 40.xe7! when 40... xe7 leads to 41.f8#. In what way does white only win a rook out of this? |
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Jun-18-04
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| patzer2: <jeremyKelly2000> Yes, I surely understated the impact of 39. Qd7! You are correct that 39. Qd7! wins the Queen after 39...h6 40. Qxe7. Alternatively, 39. Qd7! could win both the Queen and Rook after 39...Re6 40. Qxe7 h6 41. Qxe6. One case where 39. Qd7! might win the Rook alone is 39...Re6 40. Qxe6, but that is winning with less than best play (perhaps to deliberately prolong the game). |
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| Jun-18-04 |
| cjhasbrouck: I actually got this one.
And it's a Friday puzzle.
Fantastic. :) |
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Jun-19-04
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| patzer2: <patzer2> Rheinfeld might describe the deflection theme of this combination as an attack on the "overworked piece." In this case, after 39. Qd7!, the "overworked Black Queen" cannot guard the "weak back rank" mate threat against both the White Queen and White Rook -- and so the Black Queen must fall to avoid immediate mate. |
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| Dec-13-04 |
| ForeverYoung: This is a terrifically interesting game! Hoffer and other commentators pointed out that black could have went into an ending a pawn down with 19 ... Rxf3 20 Qxf3 Qxf3 21 gxf3 Bxh3.
Black's traps on moves 29 ... Rg8 and 32 ... Rf2 are noteworthy. In the 33 Rxh4 line the legendary Marco found 35 ... Rf3!! |
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| Apr-10-06 |
| MorphyMatt: Clumsy as a wolf... or is that "Crazy Like a Fox" A W Fox vs J Bauer, 1901 |
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