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Alex Yermolinsky vs Joseph Fang
"Pirced by Fang" (game of the day Aug-09-12)
22nd World Open (1994)  ·  Pirc Defense: Classical Variation. Quiet System Chigorin Line (B08)  ·  0-1
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Aug-09-12  asaelr: <kellmano> How exactly <After 33. Nxc8 Qh2+ folloed by g2+ wins>?
Aug-09-12  tcostin: 33. Nxc8 Qh2+ 34. Kf1 g2+ 35. Ke2/f2 g1Q+

White's king moves are forced, and the pawn queens along with a discovered check from the Qh2. But this is not necessarily a disaster for White, as he will have RBN vs Q. If he can avoid being checkmated (and I can't find any forced mates), he has several counter threats that can at the very least force Black to exchange some pieces.

Aug-09-12  Timoton: I don't see how white is at all lost after:

33. Nxc8 Qh2+ 34. Kf1 g2+ 35. Ke2 (Kf2 is mate on the promotion) g1Q+.

I join the call to see someone actually take this to the point of showing mate or large material advantage.

Keeping in mind white's chances of counterplay with the rook and knight, I just don't see that black forces a win.

Aug-09-12  tcostin: Edit: in the above line, 35. Kf2 is an instant loss. 35. Ke2 g1Q+ 36. Bf2 seems like a solid fortress.
Aug-09-12  master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> After 30. Bxg3 Qh3 looks damning> What after 31.Rxf3? If 31...Qxh4 32.Kf1 and white doesnīt look very bad.
Aug-09-12  master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> After 33. Nxc8 Qh2+ folloed by g2+ wins>. 33.Nxc8 Qh2+ 34.Kf1 g2+ 35.Ke2 g1=Q+ 36.Kd3 leaves white with RBN vs Q, and isnīt a clear win yet.
Aug-09-12
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  kellmano: <MOD> in the second post, 36 ..... Qxe1
Aug-09-12
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  kellmano: <MOD> in the first, how about 31.......Rcg8?
Aug-09-12  master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> in the second post, 36 ..... Qxe1> If 36...Qxe1 37.Nxe7#.
Aug-09-12  master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> in the first, how about 31.......Rcg8?> 32.Qc3+ R(any)g7 33.Kf2. Now what?
Aug-09-12
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  kellmano: <kellmano: <MOD> in the second post, 36 ..... Qxe1> I take it back! 37. Nxe7 mate!
Aug-09-12
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  kellmano: <master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> in the first, how about 31.......Rcg8?> 32.Qc3+ R(any)g7 33.Kf2. Now what?? 33....... Nxe4 with a royal fork.
Aug-09-12  davegras: 33.Nxc8 Qh2+ 34.Kf1 g2+ 35.Ke2 g1=Q+ 36.Kd3 At this point black needs to prevent mate AND save its new queen from the white bishop threat. So 36...Qg5 seems logical. 37. Rxg6+ hxg6 38. Qf2 Qxf2 39. Rxf2...and now white has the advantage.

Again, unless someone can clearly show black has won, I think white can survive and even gain an advantage.

Aug-09-12  master of defence: <master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> in the first, how about 31.......Rcg8?> 32.Qc3+ R(any)g7 33.Kf2. Now what?? 33....... Nxe4 with a royal fork.> Ok, 33.Kf2?? Nxe4+ wins for black, but after 33.Nxd6 I canīt see a winning continuation for black. If you see, please post.
Aug-09-12
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  kellmano: <master of defence: <master of defence: <kellmano: <MOD> in the first, how about 31.......Rcg8?> 32.Qc3+ R(any)g7 33.Kf2. Now what?? 33....... Nxe4 with a royal fork.> Ok, 33.Kf2?? Nxe4+ wins for black, but after 33.Nxd6 I canīt see a winning continuation for black. If you see, please post.> Doesn't 33......Rxg3+ do the job?

Still struggling with Nxc8 though. Perhaps an underpromotion with a double check then take the rook to at least stave off the mate threat? Doubt it works but can't check. Unfortunately this site autoqueens.

Aug-09-12
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  perfidious: < Ratt Boy: I remember playing against Joe Fang in Brookline, MA. He was rated somewhere in the high 1300's; I was in the high 1200's....>

That had to be a time ago; first time I played an event with him (in 1976), Joe was already ~1850. The irony is that we never actually played till we were both masters.

Aug-09-12  master of defence: <Doesn't 33......Rxg3+ do the job?> No, 34.Rxg3 Qxg3+ 35.Qxg3 Rxg3+ 36.Kf2 white is a piece up and wins.
Aug-09-12
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  RandomVisitor: After 33.Nxc8! Qh2+ 34.Kf1 g2+ 35.Ke2! you can choose your promoted piece and your way of being mated.


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Rybka 4.1 x64:

[+11.98] d=19 35...g1N+ 36.Ke3 Nxf3 37.Rxg6+ hxg6 38.Kxf3 Kf8 39.Qf2 Qh3+ 40.Ke2+ Ke8 41.Na7 e5 42.Bc3 Qh1 43.Kd3 Qh3+ 44.Qe3 Qf1+ 45.Kd2 Qg2+ 46.Qe2 Qg5+ 47.Kd3 Qh5 48.Qxh5 gxh5 49.Bxe5 Kd7 50.Bg3 h4

[+16.25] d=19 35...g1Q+ 36.Kd3 Qg5 37.Qc1 Qhh5 38.Qxg5 Qxf3+ 39.Qe3 Rg3 40.Qxf3 Rxf3+ 41.Ke2 Rf4 42.Rxc7 e5 43.Ke3 Rf8 44.Bxb6 Re8 45.Bxa5 Rf8 46.Bc3 h6 47.Bxe5 Rf1 48.Ne7+

[+M11] d=18 35...g1R+ 36.Kd3 Rg7 37.Bxg1 Qh5 38.Qf1 h6 39.Rf8+ Kh7 40.Bd4 e5 41.Be3 Qd1+ 42.Qxd1 Rd7 43.Qh5 Rxd5+ 44.exd5 e4+ 45.Kxe4 Kg7 46.Qxh6+

Aug-09-12  dumbgai: Okay, I thought after 35...g1=Q+ white had to hang onto his queen. I didn't see 36. Kd3, so I was wrong. <davegras: What happens if..33 Nxc8?> - Since you already saw 36. Kd3 and white wins, were you just trying to tempt the rest of us into looking dumb? I guess that's what I get for trying to analyze without my trusted engine.
Aug-09-12  master of defence: <RandomVisitor> How white wins after 33.Nxc8 Qh2+ 34.Kf1 g2+ 35.Ke2 g1=Q+ 36.Kd3 Qg5 37.Qc1 Qgh4?
Aug-09-12  asaelr: <master of defence> crafty says (after Qgh4) 38. Rxg6+ hxg6 Qf1! (and then it see mate in about 10)
Aug-09-12  master of defence: <asaelr> Do you can show this mate in 10?
Aug-09-12  asaelr: I will check it later (my computer has some bugs...), but it says that the best for black is 39...Q2g3, and then white has a cool combination with BN.
Aug-09-12
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  RandomVisitor: <master of defense><How white wins after 33.Nxc8 Qh2+ 34.Kf1 g2+ 35.Ke2 g1=Q+ 36.Kd3 Qg5 37.Qc1 Qgh4?>38.Rxg6+ hxg6 39.Qf1 Kh7 40.Rf7+ Kh6 41.Nxe7
Aug-10-12  davegras: Thanks to those who came through and confirmed white could've won this game. Thanks to everyone for your input.
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