Gosta Stoltz vs Herman Steiner (1952) "Gosta Get Her"

Gosta Stoltz vs Herman Steiner
"Gosta Get Her" (game of the day Nov-01-09)
Sweden izt (04) 1952 · English Opening: King's English Variation. Reversed Sicilian (A21) · 1-0

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Aug-24-06		prinsallan: You mean Gösta Stoltz, not H. but G i hope. And yes, a truly remarkable game, or should I say gem?

Jul-13-08		chancho: The above game won the first brilliancy prize in this event.

Sep-18-09		mig55: This is a nice saturday puzzle, move 24...

Nov-01-09		Phony Benoni: I'm seeing a finish with 34...Ke8/c8 35.Rxf6 Kxd7 36.Rf7+ Ke8 37.Rh7 Rd8 (no other way to save the rook) 38.Rh8+ followed by 39.Rxd8 and winning with the passed f-pawns. Or is there something better?

Nov-01-09		mrsaturdaypants: Your line, (Phone Benoni), with 38 Rxc7. Black has nothing better than 38 Rd7. After the rook exchange, white's up two pawns, and soon will be up three. Should be easy from there to force a win, even with a less than ideal pawn structure.

Nov-01-09		mike1: Agree with all the above except I believe that 22... Qf6 instead of Rf6 would have left a lot to answer. Black would win.

Nov-01-09		Chessdreamer: Is 34.Rd7+ 1-0 a notation error for 34.Rxf6 1-0?

Nov-01-09		RandomVisitor: 22...d5 might equalize for black.

Nov-01-09		rodantero: Chessmaster "says" 34...Ke8 35.Rxf6 Kxd7 36.Rf7+ Ke8 37.Rh7 Rd8 38.Kd2 +3.86 at depth 16

Nov-01-09		steveoho: Chessdreamer - 34. Rd7+ allows at least for a tempo to steal some pawns and an unfavorable position for black

Nov-01-09		Manic: <mike1> I think 22...Qf6 23.Qxf6 Rxf6 24.d5: i) 24...Rf7 25.dxc6 bxc6 26.Ng4 and here white threatens h5-h6 while Kg8 cannot be played due to Nh6. If 26...Bf5 27.Nh6 Rff8 28.Rg1 will win material. ii) 24...Rg6 25.h5 Rh6 and dxc6 or Ng4 or Rg1 iii) 24...Ne5 25.fxe5 dxe5 26.Bxe5: a) 26...Rf7 27.Ng4 Re8 28.Nh6 Rd7 29.Bd4 Ree7 30.Rhg1 Be4 31.Bf6 with Rxg7 and Rg1. b) 26...Rg6 27.Rhg1 followed by h5-h6.

Nov-01-09		RandomVisitor: 3 minutes per move: Gosta Stoltz - Herman Steiner [A21] Sweden izt (04) Sweden izt (04), 1952 [Rybka 3 ] 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3 f5 4.Bg2 Nf6 5.d4 Be7 6.e3 0-0 7.Nge2 Kh8 8.Qc2 Qe8 9.b3 Nc6 10.Ba3 exd4 last book move 11.exd4 0.20/19 f4 0.20/16 12.0-0-0 0.20/18 Nh5 0.20/17 13.Be4= 0.00/18 [Rybka 3 : 13.f3 Bg5 14.h4 Bf6 15.g4 Ng3 16.Nxg3 fxg3 17.Rhe1 Qf7 18.d5 Ne5 19.Kb1 Kg8 20.Nb5 Ng6 21.h5 Nh4 22.Qd2 b6= 0.20/17 ] 13...g6 0.96/16 [Rybka 3 : 13...f3 14.Ng1 Nf6 15.Bxf3 a5 16.Nb5 d5 17.Bxe7 Qxe7= 0.00/18 ] 14.Nd5 0.84/16 Qd8 1.45/17 [Rybka 3 : 14...f3 15.Nec3 Bd8 16.Rhe1 Qd7 17.Qd3 Nf6 18.Bxf3 Nxd5 19.cxd5 Ne7 20.h4 Qf5 0.84/16 ] 15.Bb2 0.89/16 [Rybka 3 : 15.gxf4 Rf7 16.Bb2 Bf8 17.Rhg1 Ne7 18.Nxe7 Bxe7 19.Rde1 Ng7 20.d5 Qf8 21.h4 Bf6 22.Nd4 1.45/17 ] 15...f3 1.71/18 [Rybka 3 : 15...a5 16.Ndxf4 Bg5 17.Qd2 Bh3 18.Kb1 Qe7 19.Qe3 Qf7 20.Rde1 Bd7 21.h4 Bh6 22.d5+ Ne5 23.Bd3 0.89/16 ] 16.Nef4 1.39/16 Bg5 1.71/17 17.Bxg6 0.51/18 [Rybka 3 : 17.h4 Bh6 18.Rde1 Qd7 19.Kb1 Qg7 20.Nxh5 gxh5 21.Qd3 Bg4 22.Nf4 Bxf4 23.gxf4 Rxf4 24.Ka1 Rf6 25.Bxc6 bxc6 26.d5 cxd5 27.Qc3 1.71/17 ] 17...hxg6 0.77/21 [Rybka 3 : 17...Rxf4 18.gxf4 Nxf4 19.Bxh7 Nxd5+ 20.Kb1 Nf6 21.d5 Ne5 22.Bf5 Qe7 23.Rhg1 Bh6 24.Bxc8 Rxc8 25.Rg3 Rg8 26.Bd4 a6 27.Rdg1 Qh7 28.Rxg8+ Nxg8 29.Rg3 Bg7 30.Qxh7+ 0.51/18 ] 18.Qxg6 0.77/21 Ng7 0.77/21 19.h4 0.77/20 Bxf4+ 0.62/21 20.gxf4 0.62/20 Bf5 0.62/19 21.Qh6+ 0.67/20 Bh7 0.84/17 22.Ne3= 0.19/18 [Rybka 3 : 22.Rhg1 Rf7 23.h5 Qh4 24.Qg5 Qh2 25.Nf6 Qxf2 26.Nxh7 Qe3+ 27.Kb1 Qxf4 28.h6 Kxh7 29.Qg6+ Kg8 30.Rg4 Qf5+ 31.Qxf5 Rxf5 32.Rxg7+ Kh8 33.Rxc7 Rg8 34.d5+ Ne5 35.Rf1 f2 36.Rg7 0.84/17 ] 22...Rf6 1.13/17 [Rybka 3 : 22...d5 23.Nxd5 Rf7 24.h5 Qd6 25.Qxd6 cxd6 26.h6 Ne8 27.Rde1 Bf5 28.Bc3 Kh7 29.Rhg1 Rc8 30.Kb2 Bg6 31.Rg3 b6 32.Rgg1 Rd8 33.Re6 Bf5= 0.19/18 ] 23.Qg5 1.02/15 Rg6 1.74/20 [Rybka 3 : 23...d5 24.Nxd5 Rd6 25.Rhg1 Rg6 26.Qxd8+ Rxd8 27.Rxg6 Bxg6 28.h5 Nxh5 29.f5 Bf7 30.Nxc7 Kh7 31.d5 Ne7 32.Ne6 Rg8 33.f6 Nf5 34.Rh1 Nh6 35.Bd4 1.02/15 ] 24.d5 0.79/21 [Rybka 3 : 24.Qxd8+ Nxd8 25.h5 Rg2 26.d5 Kg8 27.Rdg1 Nf5 28.Nxg2 fxg2 29.Rxg2+ Kf8 30.Rg6 Nf7 31.Re6 a6 32.Rg1 b5 33.h6 N7xh6 34.Bg7+ Nxg7 35.Rxh6 Kg8 36.Rgh1 Be4 37.Rh8+ Kf7 38.Rxa8 Bxh1 39.Rxa6 1.74/20 ] 24...Rxg5 0.79/23 25.hxg5 0.84/22 Ne7 0.84/21 26.Ng4 0.84/20 Qc8? 4.13/19 [Rybka 3 : 26...Qe8 27.Rh6 Nef5 28.Nf6 Nxh6 29.Nxe8 Rxe8 30.gxh6 Re2 31.Bxg7+ Kg8 32.Rd2 Re1+ 33.Kb2 Bb1 34.Kc3 Kh7 35.Bf6 Kxh6 36.Bd8 c6 37.dxc6 bxc6 38.Rxd6+ Kh5 39.a3 Re2 40.Rd2 Kg4 41.Bc7 Kf5 0.84/20 ] 27.g6 3.93/18 Qxg4 5.08/21 28.Rxh7+ 5.08/22 Kg8 5.08/21 29.Rxg7+ 5.12/22 Kf8 5.31/21 30.Rf7+ 5.08/21 Ke8? 8.10/16 [Rybka 3 : 30...Kg8 31.Rxe7 Qxf4+ 32.Kb1 Qh6 33.Rg1 Rc8 34.Rh7 Qxg6+ 35.Rxg6+ Kxh7 36.Rg3 5.08/21 ] 31.Re1 7.66/16 Qxg6 8.18/17 32.Rexe7+ 6.21/11 Kd8 7.44/17 33.Bf6? 5.09/19 [Rybka 3 : 33.Rg7 Qh6 7.44/17 ] 33...Qxf6 5.09/19 34.Rd7+ 5.09/23 1-0

Nov-01-09		JohnBoy: This game is full of nice moments. Even the final move makes an excellent Wednesday puzzle. Making sure that the rook gets captured on d7, so that the black king ends up driven back to the 8th rank - 34...Ke8 35.Rxf6 Kxd7 36.Rf7+ Ke8 37.Rh7, so that the white king leisurely mops up the loose f3-pawn and ushers white's f4-pawn to a queen - is absolutely insightful. A beautiful finish to a 5-star game.

Nov-01-09		johnlspouge: < <mike1> wrote: Agree with all the above except I believe that 22... Qf6 instead of Rf6 would have left a lot to answer. Black would win. > Toga gives best play from the <last move entered> as follows. (Humans can improve near the end of the computer variation.) [ply 15/47+ time 00:42 value +0.05] 22.<Ne3> Rf6 23.Qg5 Nb4 24.d5 Rf7 25.h5 Kg8 26.Rhg1 Qxg5 27.fxg5 Nd3+ 28.Rxd3 Bxd3 29.Kd2 Nxh5 30.Kxd3 Re7 31.g6 Nf4+ 32.Kd2 Rae8 33.g7 Re4 [ply 15/44 time 00:21 value +2.39] 23.<Qf6> Rxf6 24.d5 Rf7 25.h5 Kg8 26.h6 Ne8 27.dxc6 bxc6 28.f5 a5 29.Rh3 a4 30.Rxf3 axb3 31.axb3 c5 32.Kc2 Nf6 33.Ra1 Rxa1 34.Rg3+ Kf8 35.Bxa1 Thus, at 15 plies, Toga: (1) gives 22...Rf6 as the best move. (2) values 22...Rf6 as drawing. (3) values 22...Qf6 as clearly losing. The confidence of amateur pronouncements about how masters might improve their game never ceases to amaze me. My chessforum gives detailed instructions on how to download freeware for chess analysis.

Nov-01-09		Chessmensch: Gosta la vista, Herman baby.

Nov-01-09		Samagonka: What a wild king chase in the end.

Nov-01-09		JohnBoy: I've downloaded Toga as per <johnl>'s instructions - works like a charm and is stronger than my old Fritz 8. Now I have to figure out how to get it to play against Yahoo! proggers. I've never progged in my life and hate losing to some twit's machine. Even Usain Bolt can't run against a formula 1 car. Regarding my above post on the last move, it is more like a Monday puzzle, but is none-the-less the kind of move that sets masters apart from patzers. I'll never spot the kind of big, hairy tactics that make the big boys, but if I can more often get the little things right I'll up it from 2250 to 2400.

Nov-01-09		WhiteRook48: I don't see the validity of 34 Rd7+

Nov-01-09		johnlspouge: < <JohnBoy> wrote: I've downloaded Toga as per <johnl>'s instructions - works like a charm and is stronger than my old Fritz 8. > Thanks for the plug, <JohnBoy>. If more of us use a chess engine, our posts will be better for it. I know Toga has saved me on a few occasions :) Keep well.

Nov-01-09		hedgeh0g: Nothing could be finer than defeating Herman Steiner.

Nov-01-09		patzer2: Stolz's 24. d5!? sacrifices the White Queen for a small plus with his deep minor piece attack, but as RV's Rybka analysis indicates it's probably not as strong as a more conventional approach with 24. QxQ+! .

Nov-01-09		patzer2: Indeed, 24. QxQ+! RxQ 25. h5! (trapped peice theme) appears to win the exchange by force after 25...Rg2. Seemingly worse for black is 25...Nxh5 26. Rxh5 Kg8 27. d5 Ne7 28. Rdh1 .

Nov-01-09		Lordknight: post...

Nov-01-09		Lordknight: 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3 f5 4.Bg2 Nf6 5.d4 Be7 6.e3 0-0 7.Nge2 Kh8 8.Qc2 Qe8 9.b3 Nc6 10.Ba3 exd4 last book move 11.exd4 0.20/19 f4 0.20/16 12.0-0-0 0.20/18 Nh5 0.20/17 13.Be4= 0.00/18 [Rybka 3 : 13.f3 Bg5 14.h4 Bf6 15.g4 Ng3 16.Nxg3 fxg3 17.Rhe1 Qf7 18.d5 Ne5 19.Kb1 Kg8 20.Nb5 Ng6 21.h5 Nh4 22.Qd2 b6= 0.20/17 ] 13...g6 0.96/16 [Rybka 3 : 13...f3 14.Ng1 Nf6 15.Bxf3 a5 16.Nb5 d5 17.Bxe7 Qxe7= 0.00/18 ] 14.Nd5 0.84/16 Qd8 1.45/17 [Rybka 3 : 14...f3 15.Nec3 Bd8 16.Rhe1 Qd7 17.Qd3 Nf6 18.Bxf3 Nxd5 19.cxd5 Ne7 20.h4 Qf5 0.84/16 ] 15.Bb2 0.89/16 [Rybka 3 : 15.gxf4 Rf7 16.Bb2 Bf8 17.Rhg1 Ne7 18.Nxe7 Bxe7 19.Rde1 Ng7 20.d5 Qf8 21.h4 Bf6 22.Nd4 1.45/17 ] 15...f3 1.71/18 [Rybka 3 : 15...a5 16.Ndxf4 Bg5 17.Qd2 Bh3 18.Kb1 Qe7 19.Qe3 Qf7 20.Rde1 Bd7 21.h4 Bh6 22.d5+ Ne5 23.Bd3 0.89/16 ] 16.Nef4 1.39/16 Bg5 1.71/17 17.Bxg6 0.51/18 [Rybka 3 : 17.h4 Bh6 18.Rde1 Qd7 19.Kb1 Qg7 20.Nxh5 gxh5 21.Qd3 Bg4 22.Nf4 Bxf4 23.gxf4 Rxf4 24.Ka1 Rf6 25.Bxc6 bxc6 26.d5 cxd5 27.Qc3 1.71/17 ] 17...hxg6 0.77/21 [Rybka 3 : 17...Rxf4 18.gxf4 Nxf4 19.Bxh7 Nxd5+ 20.Kb1 Nf6 21.d5 Ne5 22.Bf5 Qe7 23.Rhg1 Bh6 24.Bxc8 Rxc8 25.Rg3 Rg8 26.Bd4 a6 27.Rdg1 Qh7 28.Rxg8+ Nxg8 29.Rg3 Bg7 30.Qxh7+ 0.51/18 ] 18.Qxg6 0.77/21 Ng7 0.77/21 19.h4 0.77/20 Bxf4+ 0.62/21 20.gxf4 0.62/20 Bf5 0.62/19 21.Qh6+ 0.67/20 Bh7 0.84/17 22.Ne3= 0.19/18 [Rybka 3 : 22.Rhg1 Rf7 23.h5 Qh4 24.Qg5 Qh2 25.Nf6 Qxf2 26.Nxh7 Qe3+ 27.Kb1 Qxf4 28.h6 Kxh7 29.Qg6+ Kg8 30.Rg4 Qf5+ 31.Qxf5 Rxf5 32.Rxg7+ Kh8 33.Rxc7 Rg8 34.d5+ Ne5 35.Rf1 f2 36.Rg7 0.84/17 ] 22...Rf6 1.13/17 [Rybka 3 : 22...d5 23.Nxd5 Rf7 24.h5 Qd6 25.Qxd6 cxd6 26.h6 Ne8 27.Rde1 Bf5 28.Bc3 Kh7 29.Rhg1 Rc8 30.Kb2 Bg6 31.Rg3 b6 32.Rgg1 Rd8 33.Re6 Bf5= 0.19/18 ] 23.Qg5 1.02/15 Rg6 1.74/20 [Rybka 3 : 23...d5 24.Nxd5 Rd6 25.Rhg1 Rg6 26.Qxd8+ Rxd8 27.Rxg6 Bxg6 28.h5 Nxh5 29.f5 Bf7 30.Nxc7 Kh7 31.d5 Ne7 32.Ne6 Rg8 33.f6 Nf5 34.Rh1 Nh6 35.Bd4 1.02/15 ] 24.d5 0.79/21 [Rybka 3 : 24.Qxd8+ Nxd8 25.h5 Rg2 26.d5 Kg8 27.Rdg1 Nf5 28.Nxg2 fxg2 29.Rxg2+ Kf8 30.Rg6 Nf7 31.Re6 a6 32.Rg1 b5 33.h6 N7xh6 34.Bg7+ Nxg7 35.Rxh6 Kg8 36.Rgh1 Be4 37.Rh8+ Kf7 38.Rxa8 Bxh1 39.Rxa6 1.74/20 ] 24...Rxg5 0.79/23 25.hxg5 0.84/22 Ne7 0.84/21 26.Ng4 0.84/20 Qc8? 4.13/19 [Rybka 3 : 26...Qe8 27.Rh6 Nef5 28.Nf6 Nxh6 29.Nxe8 Rxe8 30.gxh6 Re2 31.Bxg7+ Kg8 32.Rd2 Re1+ 33.Kb2 Bb1 34.Kc3 Kh7 35.Bf6 Kxh6 36.Bd8 c6 37.dxc6 bxc6 38.Rxd6+ Kh5 39.a3 Re2 40.Rd2 Kg4 41.Bc7 Kf5 0.84/20 ] 27.g6 3.93/18 Qxg4 5.08/21 28.Rxh7+ 5.08/22 Kg8 5.08/21 29.Rxg7+ 5.12/22 Kf8 5.31/21 30.Rf7+ 5.08/21 Ke8? 8.10/16 [Rybka 3 : 30...Kg8 31.Rxe7 Qxf4+ 32.Kb1 Qh6 33.Rg1 Rc8 34.Rh7 Qxg6+ 35.Rxg6+ Kxh7 36.Rg3 5.08/21 ] 31.Re1 7.66/16 Qxg6 8.18/17 32.Rexe7+ 6.21/11 Kd8 7.44/17 33.Bf6? 5.09/19 [Rybka 3 : 33.Rg7 Qh6 7.44/17 ] 33...Qxf6 5.09/19 34.Rd7+ 5.09/23 1-0

Nov-02-09		kevin86: With the many sacs-white simplifies to an easy win.He even pocks up an extra pawn or two.

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