chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing


register now - it's free!
Gedeon Barcza vs Lodewijk Prins
"Someday My Prins Will Come" (game of the day Apr-26-11)
Stockholm Interzonal (1952)  ·  Zukertort Opening: Queen Pawn Defense (A06)  ·  1/2-1/2
To move:
Last move:

explore this opening
find similar games 3 more G Barcza/Prins games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can step through the moves by clicking the and buttons, but it's much easier to simply use the left and right arrow keys on your keyboard.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with the default chess viewer, please see the Pgn4web Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
May-08-05  aw1988: Titanic battle!
May-09-05  Skepticus: Prins made a good job. And yes: Titanic battle!
Oct-03-05  Whitehat1963: A truly excellent game. Where are the improvements, missed opportunities?
Jul-17-08  jeeky1996: To draw a queen vs two rooks, one just needs to just exchange two rooks for that one queen, as in one of the games in the Kramnik-Leko WCC match.

But Leko wasn't so lucky, as he lost.

Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: Despite the lengthy struggle, this game is not without a tinge of humor. There's <78...Kd7>, your typical "Oh, Let's Just Get This Over With and Go Home!" kind of move. And after <66.Kg3>:


click for larger view

I wonder if Prins' heart skipped a beat until he noticed the cross check that saves the rook.

Since we are no longer allowed to figure this stuff out ourselves, I checked the Nalimov tablebase and it confirms that the final position is a draw.

Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: "Barczing up the wrong tree"
Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: I make that 41 moves of the black queen - more than half the game! Makes me very glad that we can play through the game by pressing buttons and not playing the moves on a board.

Odd that the queen vs 2 rook battle seemed to resolve to a draw. I guess that each side really needed some other strength or weakness to tip the balance.

Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  An Englishman: Good Evening: I don't know why they abandoned the game after only 80 moves. There's still a lot of play left in the position.
Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <An Englishman> I think white was trying to prove a point. On move 21 he exchanges his queen for two rooks. He then spends the rest of the game (another 60 moves) trying to justify that decision.

If white does manage to win then he can claim that his queen vs 2R exchange was an inspired master-stroke. If not, then it was all just an oversimplification.

Apr-26-11  nuwanda: <Phony Benoni...I checked the Nalimov tablebase and it confirms that the final position is a draw.>

you need tablebases for this? :)

Apr-26-11  BishopsPawn: For the benefit of the patzers among us, is there no way to consolidate the position and save the e-pawn in lieu of 24. Nc6? Also, why is 39. h5 necessary? Thanks in advance!
Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<<nuwanda:> <Phony Benoni...I checked the Nalimov tablebase and it confirms that the final position is a draw.> you need tablebases for this? :)>

I think I know where <Phony Benoni> is coming from. I'm sure that he doesn't need tablebases to confirm that the final position is a draw (although I'm not really sure), but some of us other insecure patzers can sure use the help. LMAO.

Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: With best play,two rooks vs a queen is a stand-off.
Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Travis Bickle: All of that work for nothing. ; P
Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  scormus: This game reminds of some years. Lots of sparkling sunny weather in the Spring, then dull days MJJA. I just hope that's not an omen for this year :\

<Nalimov tablebase draw> Always good to do a verification exercise ;)

Apr-26-11  zealouspawn: Once: Isn't that what chess is all about anyway? Creating imballences and then trying to exploit them. That's good chess!
Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Peligroso Patzer: <Phony Benoni: ***
Since we are no longer allowed to figure this stuff out ourselves, I checked the Nalimov tablebase and it confirms that the final position is a draw.>

LOL. Actually, I'm glad you pointed that out. With his much better-centralized king, black seemed to me to have some advantage in the final position:


click for larger view

Apr-26-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<Peligroso Patzer>: LOL. Actually, I'm glad you pointed that out. With his much better-centralized king, black seemed to me to have some advantage in the final position:>

Yes, but fortunately for White, it's his move. Rybka 4.1 evaluated the position to have equal chances for both sides:

[0.00], d=50: 81.Ka6 Kc6 82.Ka7 Kb5 83.Kb7 Kc5 84.Kc7 Kd5 85.Kd7 Ke5 86.Kc7 Kd5 87.Kd7 Ke5 88.Kc7 Kd5 89.Kd7 Ke5 90.Kc7 Kd5 91.Kd7 Ke5 92.Kc7 Kd5 93.Kd7 Ke5 94.Kc7 Kd5 95.Kd7 Ke5 96.Kc7

[0.00], d=50: 81.Kb8 Ke5 82.Kc7 Kd5 83.Kd7 Ke5 84.Kc7 Kd5 85.Kd7 Ke5 86.Kc7 Kd5 87.Kd7 Ke5 88.Kc7 Kd5 89.Kd7 Ke5 90.Kc7 Kd5 91.Kd7 Ke5 92.Kc7 Kd5 93.Kd7 Ke5 94.Kc7 Kd5 95.Kd7 Ke5 96.Kc7

[0.00], d=50: 81.Kb6 Kd5 82.Kc7 Ke6 83.Kc6 Ke5 84.Kc5 Ke4 85.Kd6 Kd4 86.Kc6 Ke5 87.Kc5 Ke4 88.Kd6 Kd4 89.Kc6 Ke5 90.Kc5 Ke4 91.Kd6 Kd4 92.Kc6 Ke5 93.Kc5 Ke4 94.Kd6 Kd4 95.Kc6 Ke5 96.Kc5

And that's the first time I've had the patience to wait for Rybka to go to such a great depth in its calculations. In case you're wondering, it reached d=50 in 4 minutes, 26 seconds on my computer.

Just to make sure, I tried Houdini 1.5a. Houdini has an "Analysis Contempt" parameter which, when set = 2, tries to avoid draws if at all possible. But, in spite of that setting, Houdini agreed with Rybka that the position has equal chances for both sides. But it was much more efficient, reaching d=99 (apparently the maximum that Houdini will go) in less than 1 second. Obviously Houdini uses a different search procedure than Rybka. Maybe Rybka, being a commercial program that you have to pay for, wants to make sure that you know that you are getting your money's worth.

[0.00], d=99: 81.Kb7 Ke7 82.Kc6 Ke6 83.Kc5 Ke5 84.Kb5 Ke4 85.Kc6 Kf4 86.Kd7 Kg5 87.Ke7 Kf5 88.Kf8 Kg6 89.Kg8 Kf6 90.Kf8 Kg6 91.Kg8

[0.00], d=99: 81.Ka6 Kd5 82.Ka5 Kc4 83.Ka4 Kc3 84.Ka3 Kc2 85.Ka2 Kc1 86.Ka3 Kc2 87.Ka2

[0.00], d=99: 81.Kb6 Kd5 82.Ka5 Kc4 83.Ka4 Kc3 84.Ka3 Kc2 85.Ka2 Kc1 86.Ka3 Kc2 87.Ka2

So I don't know about you, but after verification with two different engines I'm willing to concede the position to be a draw assuming, of course, best play by both sides. But I think both players should have continued the game for another 50 moves just to make sure.

Apr-26-11  Lil Swine: these games seem enhanced when you listen to canon in D
Apr-26-11  Mozart72: This game has an interesting opening: Neo-Grünfeld, 5. Nf3 (D73)

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. g3 d5
4. Bg2 Bg7
5. Nf3

Barcza vs Prins

1. Nf3 d5
2. g3 ...
3. d4 g6
4. Bg2 Bg7
5. ... Ngf6
6. c4 ...

Apr-26-11  WhiteRook48: the final position has some advantage to white, because he can seize the opposition with 81 Kb6
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
  3. No personal attacks against other users.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.


NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]
Transpose to Queen's Gambit Accepted
from Barcza by Inius Mella
Batalla titánica de una reina contra dos torres
from El arte de empatar by jonico
Interzonals 1952: Stockholm
by capybara
super games
by jaigans
2 Rooks are way better than a Queen!
from Invisible Endgames by jaigans
Opus 1 (A00-A99)
by Chessdreamer
Stockholm Interzonal 1952
by Tabanus
Epic Battle
from JonathanJ's favorite games 4 by JonathanJ
80...Kxd6 1/2-1/2 (10/7)
from Endgame: Bare Kings by Penguincw
Thinking on your mind
by jaigans
April 26: Someday My Prins Will Come
from Game of the Day 2011 by Phony Benoni


home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | advertising | contact us
Copyright 2001-2014, Chessgames Services LLC
Web design & database development by 20/20 Technologies