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|Feb-08-06|| ||McCool: I got 19. Qxf5, but 30. Nf6 I wouldn't have gotten.|
|Feb-08-06|| ||iamverywellatchess: Much simple. Strong players for example me see it in one or a few seconds.|
"Look for the check-mate." This is a motto for which to live by!
|Feb-08-06|| ||pilot: Where's the win after 30..Rxf6 ?|
|Feb-08-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: I'm happy to say I saw the entire combination, up to 22.fxg3! I might have missed the Monday puzzle, but the fact that I found this one makes my week already. :)|
|Feb-08-06|| ||ChessVip: quite easy 30..Rxf6 31 Re8+ Kg7 32 Rg8+ Kh6 33 g5+ |
|Feb-08-06|| ||chessnewbie: what if 21....Kg7 then 22. Nh5+ King anywhere then 23. Nxg3..I don't see a win for white after that. Was 21. Kh8 a mistake or am I missing something?|
|Feb-08-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Very nice combo. (Good puzzle for a Wednesday.)
|Feb-08-06|| ||Inf: <chessVip> i saw that line too but... where is the win? sac the night and? after 32.Kh6 then 33. g5+?? how? h6 is a BLACK square.. does not make any sense.. i dont see the winning line. :S|
|Feb-08-06|| ||scottnewhouse: <Inf>33. g5+ forks the King and Rook which is now on f6.|
|Feb-08-06|| ||iamverywellatchess: Thank you LIFE!|
|Feb-08-06|| ||YouRang: Definitely a puzzle where the follow-up is the key. The combination beginning with 19. Qxf5 gives white the advantage of two pieces (B+N) for a rook -- which isn't necessarily decisive.|
However, it also leaves white with a more aggressive position. I thought that 30. Nf6! was a marvelous move, and the real 'game winner'. That would be an excellent puzzle for another day.
|Feb-08-06|| ||YouRang: <chessnewbie> I don't think 21...Kg7 would have been any better black, and maybe slightly worse. White ends up with the same material advantage either way. |
But after 23. Nxg3 (in your line), white's pawn structure is a little better (not having to capture the queen with the f-pawn), black's f5 pawn is under attack by the knight, and black's king may be more exposed. Perhaps these are the factors that lead black to play 21...Kh8.
|Feb-08-06|| ||deefree: I was puzzled at 1st with the final position. "Where's that easy win??" I thought. Then I saw the check on g8 leads to the g5+ pawn fork snaring a rook. This type of position (after move 20...Qxg3) gives me the willies! The truth is I wouldn't have played this combination, it's too hard for me to see it all from the beginning. <sigh> I guess that's part of being a GM, having supreme confidence!|
|Feb-08-06|| ||kevin86: This is one that I saw,missed,and then saw again. lol|
I saw 19 x but then saw the rejoinder,20...x but missed the intermezzo capture at f6. White wins two pieces for a rook and vastly simplifies the position.
|Feb-08-06|| ||chessic eric: just like <Sneaky>, before I saw black's defensive resource 19...Qxg3, I was exploring 19.Qxf5,gxf5 20.Nxf7,Ng4 21.Nh6++,Kg7? 22.Nxf5+! or 21...Kh8, 22.hxg4.
The success of those lines - if only 19...Qxg3 could be prevented - made me wonder about 20.Re3 as an option to play for mate (20...f4 fails to 21.Ne4+ as in the game), but the same defensive resource soured that prospect also: 20...Qxg3 21.Rxg3,f4! No improvement on GM play for me today...|
|Feb-08-06|| ||Jacobb: Beautiful, although Im wondering why black did not try 27 kh7 chasing the knight out from its very nice post on f6,the game is pretty much lost ,although i think this move would have given a bit more counter play for black. good game though|
|Feb-08-06|| ||Jacobb: oops i meant 21. K-G7 ;)|
|Feb-08-06|| ||Castle In The Sky: I saw the combination, and that it would leave white up "point wise" 6 to 5 rook versus two minor pieces, but the finishing play was far more tricky and indecisive.|
|Feb-08-06|| ||Jacobb: YouRang- i thikn you are correct in saying that whhite could then recapture with the knight allowing a more comfortable pawn structure,although i dont see how this move makes blacks game any worse,especially because if any thing the king will be available for defense of the f6 square,stopping a direct mating attack. but then again what the hell do I know :)|
|Feb-08-06|| ||Ernest van der Sar: <Marvol> Or "This is what you did see, but not considered the best move, as it is not winning"|
|Feb-08-06|| ||thegoodanarchist: "Patzer sees check, Patzer gives check." - Bobby Fischer, referring to a bad move of his own which spoiled a nice position.|
"Always check - it might be mate!" - A russian chess axiom.
How to resolve the two? If check leads to mate, play it. If it leads to a bad position, don't play it. But you knew that already, right?
|Feb-08-06|| ||dakgootje: Missed the puzzle though even if i had seen it up to move 22 i wouldnt calculate any further as i probably would consider the advantage for white too small for a possible solution. Maybe whites 30th move would have made a nicer puzzle...|
|Feb-08-06|| ||YouRang: <Jacobb> I agree that there isn't much difference between 21...Kh8 and 21...Kg7. My point is that Kg7 offered no great improvement over Kh8 such that Kh8 should be considered a "mistake" (as <chessnewbie> suggested).|
I assume that Golz considered both moves on move 21, and found Kh8 to be preferable -- I was merely speculating on his reasons. :)
|Feb-08-06|| ||Sami Jr: What a game by Kholmov! Move 20 I could see, but the resignation after white's 30th move was tougher. Fancy that the little pawn on g4 is the key to victory after obtaining blacks castle in checking the king on move 33 g5 if 30...Rxf6. If there's 2 things I have learned since joining this forum, it's: 1) Never rule out the potential of a gambit or sacrifice and 2) Don't underestimate the power of a pawn.|
|Feb-08-06|| ||al wazir: I think 19. Nxf7 (my choice) also wins. If 19...Rxf7 then 20. Qxf5. If 19...Bxc2 then 20. Nxd6+ Kh8 21. Re7.|
Black's best is 19...Qxg3 20. Nd6+ Kh8 21. Nxf5 Qg5 (21...Qc7 22. Re7) 22. Nd6 Qh5 23. Re7. White's attack looks unstoppable.
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