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|Feb-11-08|| ||DarthStapler: Got it pretty easily|
|Feb-11-08|| ||hovik2003: 23.Ne8! a pretty and versatile move, indirectly it checks the black king, it cuts back the control of eight rank by black's rook and meanwhile opens the path for own rook's file to check on f8, and covers the g7 square.|
|Feb-11-08|| ||ahmadov: <DarthStapler: Got it pretty easily> The same here... However, it is very beautiful despite its easyness...|
|Feb-11-08|| ||TheaN: 1/1
23.Ne8+ Qxe5 (Kg7 24.Qg7#) 24.Rf8#, so nice.
<RandomVisitor: 18.Nxf6+ wins faster.>
18....Kg7 / Kf7 19.Qh7#
18....Rxf6 19.Qxf6 with a clear win.
18....Kh8 19.Qe4 with the same threats as in game (I guess, I can't find anything else... 19.Nh5 is nice but doesn't work). But you're right, it wins faster.
|Feb-11-08|| ||Weadley: Hey I got one right!
Har har har I love mondays now.
|Feb-11-08|| ||Operation Mindcrime: Nice and easy one - e8! Fritz keeps doing this sort of stuff to me (sigh..)|
|Feb-11-08|| ||hovik2003: However instead of foolhardy and greedy 22...Qd6?, black could have given up his e-pawn and play 22...Qg7! with real chances of equality in the endgame it follows.
After 22...Qg7 23.Qxe6 Rf8 24.Qe5 Bf8 25.Rf2(to play echo-variation 26.Nh5) but 25...Bf5 seems hold black's game together somehow.|
|Feb-11-08|| ||DarthStapler: 24.... Bf8 is illegal|
|Feb-11-08|| ||hovik2003: <DarthStapler: 24.... Bf8 is illegal>|
yes you right I meant Bc8, I am dextral and always start to look at the board from right front corner and I think that explains my occasional confusion of c and f files.
|Feb-11-08|| ||gilbertblondy: 23.e8+ e5 (23...g8;24.g7#)24.f8#|
|Feb-11-08|| ||johnlspouge: <hovik2003>, I also occasionally reflect the board, not just horizontally, but also vertically, e.g., I sometimes write d4 for d5, or h3 for a3 (particularly after O-O-O). This tendency is decreasing with time (and discipline). Because I am presently a computer warrior, however, I dread the arrival of the moment, when I must record moves by hand from the Black side of the board.|
I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the keyboard: sometimes, e.g., I type 'f' instead of 'j', mirroring my two hands. I have typed for more than 25 years now, and the only other error I make is inaccurate hand placement, mistyping with adjacent keys.
I suspect this kind of error reflects something deep in our brains' wiring, something else we share, besides a name :)
|Feb-11-08|| ||hovik2003: <johnlspouge>
You are right as saying goes "practice makes perfect"
|Feb-11-08|| ||xrt999: So far 14 people have posted the actual solution in perfect notation, and 6 have used the term "discovered check". (not couting of course the slew of posters I have on ignore) Typical for a Monday.|
I guess when you have read the solution 13 times in a row, one's natural inclination is to be the 14th.
|Feb-11-08|| ||goodevans: <johnlspouge: <hovik2003>, I also occasionally reflect the board, not just horizontally, but also vertically, e.g., I sometimes write d4 for d5 Ö> Me too. Iíve always put it down to having started out using the English notation (1. P-K4 P-K4; 2. N-KB3 N-QB3; etc.) where the same square has different labels depending on whose move it is. Horrible!|
|Feb-11-08|| ||YouRang: A very interesting mate-in-2 Monday puzzle.
Naturally, the discovered check is calling for the knight to be moved -- except that our queen (the checker) is capturable.
So if the knight moves, it must either deliver double check (which it can't) or create a threat of its own.
That's the pretty part of the puzzle. The ultra-efficient 23. Ne8! serves triple duty: (1) by vacating f6, it clears the f-file for the rook to hit f8, (2) by landing on e8, it interferes with the black's rook's defense of the back rank east of the e-file, and (3) it guards the g7 square, effectively creating a back-rank mating threat.
That our queen is delivering check forces black's hand. He has just two legal moves, and either one will be his last.
23...Qxe5 24. Rf8#, or
23...Kg8 24. Qg7#.
|Feb-11-08|| ||MartinChuzzlewit: Please, let me be the 29th person to list the solution:|
While I am at it, please allow me to go into all the gory details of black's impending doom, and list all the sub and sequential moves and the lines associated with each one, taking up 17 paragraphs to do so, utilizing my handy thesaurus to make everyone here that much more enamored with my narcissistic self...
|Feb-11-08|| ||kevin86: The clinching move is sort of a queen sac in that if black takes the queen,white ignores the recapture and mates instead.|
As said above,the knight move opens up the rook,blocks the adverse rook,and guards the escape square at g7.
Ironically,if black declines the sac via 23...g8,white ignores the black queen and mates with his own by 24 g7#.
|Feb-11-08|| ||JG27Pyth: JG27Pyth: Nice finish (although Qd6 was a blunder) but I really like this game top to bottom. Diemer puts relentless pressure on black's kingside and trades and simplfies very intelligently and deeply. If black plays 23.Qg7 instead of Qd6 the game heads toward an interesting ending... (the kind I dread!) where white is in a N vs B ending up a pawn and has positional advantages but will have to play absolutely accurately to convert the win.|
White's move of the game IMO is 20.Qe4! a nice sharp tempo grab that keep the game in white's hands ... forcing black to play the meaningless Rb8 while white manuvers the Q to invade e5. Very nice game.
|Feb-11-08|| ||alphee: Nice mate, easy to spot.|
|Feb-11-08|| ||herker: Hmmm... not so easy to me. I spent a minute to solve it.|
I believe 9...b6 was Fuller's biggest mistake. His white squares were swiftly exploited, as well as the pin on f6.
May anyone explain if Emil Joseph Diemer is a co-inventor of Blackmar - Diemer Gambit? I think it isn't just a coincidence.
|Feb-11-08|| ||Steve Case: The knight's "motor was running" and it was just a question of where to go (-:|
|Feb-11-08|| ||wals: Noting the strange thoughts that whirl through my head
first glance: if Ne8+ Q x Q Rf8 checkmate
Good heavens I got it. I do think I'm improving.
|Feb-11-08|| ||Dr. J: <herker> Yes, it's the same Diemer.|
|Feb-11-08|| ||outsider: why does nobody love NH5???|
|Feb-11-08|| ||YouRang: <outsider: why does nobody love NH5???>
23. Nh5+ Qxe5
-- and what is there for white to love?
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