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|Mar-22-06|| ||kevin86: I got this one! The knight sac open the line from his rook to f6-thereby chasing the black king to the final row. There he has a sad choice:29...♔e8 30 ♖d8# or 29...♔f8 30 ♖xc6 ♔e8 ( or ♖xc6 31 ♖d8#) 31 ♖xc5 and white is a rook to the good|
|Mar-22-06|| ||Mendrys: Drats, I was close but no cigar. I saw 28. Nf5+ exf5 29. e6?? and tried to make it work from there. What a hopeless patzer.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||YouRang: <kevin86> As you say, after 31. Rxc5 White is a rook to the good. But it's worth pointing out that White also has an unstoppable mating attack (when the white rook gets to c8#).|
|Mar-22-06|| ||drnooo: this one I missed completely. Very tough somehow to catch the right sac spot. finally went for the pawn take then giving up the knight check on the d file, going for a rather vague win of the exchange. wonderful weaving of a mating net by Gligo. Who, as I have heard, fought against the Nazis in the mountains during the second world war. And from all accounts a super neat guy. Anybody here with any personal reminisences about him?|
|Mar-22-06|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: Well, some find this puzzle easy ... then, how about: Geller vs Novotelnov, 1951, 40.? White to play. :)|
|Mar-22-06|| ||belka: <YouRang: Got it pretty fast. Anyone who knows to look at checks first should get it pretty fast.>|
I only got it slightly fast. I was looking at exf6+ first, and tried to follow up with Nd5+, using the new pin on the e pawn. Leads nowhere.
I'm with <EmperorAtahualpa> on this puzzle -- lots of pieces jumbled means lots of ideas. Ideas without any themes. My trouble was figuring out what the motif was. To me that's the justification for the whole combination.
I decided the only possible justification, and the source of White's advantage, has to be the doubled rooks. If the king could be forced to the 8th rank, Rd8 is winning.
Only then did I find the right checks.
|Mar-22-06|| ||YouRang: I'm not sure what Gligoric's plan was if Black had played 27...fxe5 instead of 27...Bxf4. Someone suggested 28. Ne5+ dxe5 29. Rxh6. But I don't see things looking so good for White.|
Perhaps Gligoric figured 27. e5!? led to a nice trap, and if Black falls for it (like he did), then its a win, otherwise, he'd be okay enough to hold the draw. Any ideas?
|Mar-22-06|| ||RandomVisitor: I have analyzed this far:
|Mar-22-06|| ||itz2000: 28. Nf5+!
took me three minutes I must admit...
indeed the best move here.
28. Nf5+!, exf5
29. exf6+, Ke8 or Kf8
|Mar-22-06|| ||Castle In The Sky: Three for three this week, old age takes a holiday.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||something1234: A question to those who study chess. Do you think when studying tactics, that to get the best value out of the exercise, you should set the position up on a board.? I think the answer is yes but i hope no as i find it very laborious.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||Maatalkko: No, you shouldnt set it up on a board, you should try to see as far as you can without the aid of pieces. This will build your calculation ability as well as save time.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||belka: <something1234: Do you think when studying tactics, that to get the best value out of the exercise, you should set the position up on a board.?>|
Not sure precisely what you mean ...
I will try to solve from a diagram. If I have trouble following a solution from text, then I will use a board. I always try to solve it without moving pieces first, though.
As to whether or not staring at a real board or a diagram matters, I have that question myself. I'm not sure, but I am concerned.
I am concerned that my affinity for picking out tactical motifs is stronger on 2-d diagrams and computer screens. This might be partially a cognitive issue -- that I find the patterns easier to spot with familiar diagrammed icons, and the open lines between squares easier to see. In blitz in particular.
I am a little less concerned that this is a behavioral issue, and I'm not treating a real board as a problem in the same way, if I don't think about it.
I'm not sure which you meant. :)
|Mar-22-06|| ||YouRang: <RandomVisitor> Thanks for the analysis of the 27...fxe5 line. It seems to confirm the idea that Gligoric was hoping for the 27...Bxf4 blunder, and that he really didn't have any great advantage if not.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||Halldor: <something1234> I've seen in a book on tactics that you should indeed set the position up on a board if you are preparing for an OTB tournament. Otherwise I don't think it matters.|
Another thing is that it is considered a good training for visualizing a line of moves to play out the line if you are having difficulties and then to see it in your mind without moving the pieces. I like to have the position both on my wooden board and also on the screen, I play out various lines on the screen (when I'm reviewing games) - that's easier and faster (esp. if the game is annotated), and then I try to see as deep into the position as I can (usually on the wooden board) without moving the pieces. If it is hard I do it again and again. A friend of mine only uses the computer screen, but I use the wooden board because otherwise I get tired in my eyes.
|Mar-22-06|| ||pratik.p.patil: best game|
|Mar-22-06|| ||dzechiel: Saw this one pretty quickly (the knight check is the only obvious first move). It took me a few seconds to decide that if the king runs to f8 that you just take the bishop with the rook. I really liked this combination.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||silvio: pretty but not hard to see. All the main points have been already mentioned in above comments. starting from the given position the only finesse is the capture of the bishop on c6. If this is not seen the positionis not solved.|
|Mar-22-06|| ||orio24: It seems to me that some people didn't get the entire puzzle.
The most important are not the starting checks 28. ♘f5+ exf5 29. f6+.
You need to go on and find out that after 29. ..♔f8! the intented check 30. ♖d8+?? doesn't work because of 30. ..♗e8 and there is no checkmate and white is lost. But at that point you need to find that there is 30. ♖xc6!, killing the last defender (the bishop) and white is winning, which is the main point of the puzzle.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||Richerby: I see no harm in setting up the position on a board. But you should try to solve it without moving the pieces to practise calculation.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||patzer2: White's 28. Nf5+! is a clearance sacrifice which forces a mating attacking.|
|Mar-23-06|| ||patzer2: Of course critical to the win is the double attack 29. f6+! Kf8 30. Rxc6! pointed out by <orio24>.|
|Mar-24-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <patzer2>
Actually, if you read up the page, you will see he was not the first.
(To point out 30.Rxc6!)
|Apr-03-06|| ||patzer2: <LIFE Master AJ> I was going quickly through a week of puzzles and did indeed miss that you were the first to observe the importance of 30. Rxc6! |
|Apr-03-06|| ||technical draw: "But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first".
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