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|Aug-24-04|| ||chessgames.com: Since this game has cropped up in the discussion we went ahead and inserted Keene's notes, converting them into algebraic notation where necessary. I apologize in advance if I made any errors in the translation of notation. |
|Aug-24-04|| ||ray keene: <to admin>-the notes are fine-one or two small typos but nothing to distort the meaning-well done! |
|Aug-24-04|| ||siggemannen: <Lawrence>, thanks! Now I see that the f-rook cuts the white king out. Nice finish from Stein! |
|Aug-24-04|| ||siggemannen: also thanks to <ray keene> for great notes that makes this game much more clearer |
|Aug-25-04|| ||Lawrence: <Mr. Keene>, Junior 8 thinks you're being too hard on yourself. "<After this move> 30.....a6 <I felt like resigning>" J8 suggests exchanging Bishops with 31.Bg2. Rates you as being a pawn down. eval -1.01, 25 min search on a Dell at 3 GHz, 256 Mb hash. |
|Aug-25-04|| ||ray keene: <lawrence> evidently i am becoming senile but after|
31 bg2 bxg2
and then ..rxf3 whichever way white recaptures white is -as far as i can see-toast-can you take the computer line a bit further-do i have some amazing save with two rooks v a queen and knight -what did i miss?
|Aug-25-04|| ||Lawrence: <Mr. Keene>, if Black exchanges on f3 like that, J8 says that White's 2 Rooks are indeed a match for Black's Queen and Knight.|
35.xc7 g5 (or f6+, both get an eval of 0.00). Any other move INCLUDING 35.....f8+ gives White an easy win! (f8+ eval +4.21)
36.c8+ g7 eval 0.00
I played this through at 5 min. per move.
The line I mentioned in my previous post (what J8 considers is best play for both sides) is
39.axb5 h7 eval -1.01
|Aug-25-04|| ||ray keene: <lawrence> theres something wrong with your main line since at the end after 39..kh7 white can now win the black queen with the fork ng5+. however-you have clearly unearthed some amazing defensive possibilities for white in a position which stein and i considered hopelessly lost.this is just one more example that the classics of the past can be completely revised by computer analysis!!|
i regard this as an amazing contribution and i will certainly be writing a column about it in the times or the spectator quite soon. well done and thank you very much. the position after black gets q and n for two rooks is the most amazing one-blacks q simply seems to lack space to manouevre yet at first sight it can smash whites k side easily. incredible!!THANK YOU VERY MUCH.YOU HAVE EXPANDED THE BOUNDARIES OF KNOWLEDGE BY EXAMINING THIS.
|Aug-25-04|| ||Lawrence: <Mr. Keene>, right, it must have been the Queen that moved, not the King. Anyway, a long 18-ply line like that is not very trustworthy because after it's played 8 or 10 ply the engine often finds something better than what it predicted. |
|Aug-25-04|| ||mack: Blimey... where would I have seen this game before... I've certainly played through it once (without a board I think). Very thorough analysis indeed Lawrence! |
|Aug-26-04|| ||Lawrence: <Mr. Keene> and <mack>, 'tweren't me, I just sat there patiently while <Junior> did all the work. |
|Aug-26-04|| ||clocked: <Mr. Keene> Another computer find!
28.gxh4? Rxf3!! 29.Bxf3 Qxh4 and black threatens Nh2 Bg2 Bg4 and the Queen dies! |
|Aug-26-04|| ||clocked: <Lawrence> in your line instead of 36...Qf8+ it is better to enter white's position with axb5 axb5 Qa7+ |
|Dec-02-04|| ||who: In the annotation after move 30...a6 there is a typo. It should read the g1-a7 diagonal. |
|Feb-12-05|| ||aw1988: Absolutely amazing. Raymond Keene fell into a terrific bind. |
|Feb-12-05|| ||Seraphina: What a fine game. And with the notes and the kibitzes, it is even more alive. Mr. Keene, it is very exciting to read how you felt during the game. That is an element computers don't seem to be able to bring.... yet. Reminds me, that even though one loses and the other wins at chess, it takes two to make the work of art. |
|May-09-05|| ||ughaibu: Why isn't it better to play 30....c6 instead of a6? That way the queen gets on the diagonal one move more quickly, it also avoids the possibility 30....a6 31.b6 blocking the diagonal.|
|May-09-05|| ||halcyonteam: Why, white resign after the last move?
I don't understand???
Can anyone tell me by email?
|May-09-05|| ||TheSlid: 34.Kg2 Qh6 is the answer, <halcyonteam>|
|May-09-05|| ||Marco65: <ughaibu> Good point. I think after 30...c6 White can hold with 31.bxc6 Qb6+ 32.d4 exd4 33.Qb5! (maybe also 33.Rb2 works) d3+ 34.Qxb6 simplifying. And if 33...Qxb5 34.axb5 Black can't gain a piece on f3 because the c-pawn heads to promotion.|
|May-09-05|| ||Shokwave: Great annotations.|
|Nov-16-05|| ||sitzkrieg: @ Benzol; A similar Queens manoevre is found in the game Piket-Kasparov. I found it highly original when i replayed the game but now i see this game and see its all a copy. Great!|
Piket vs Kasparov, 1989
|Nov-16-05|| ||Nezhmetdinov: These notes are from the classic Leonid Stein, Master of attack by Keeno himself. Find the book for yourself - an enduring pleasure.|
|Nov-16-05|| ||Benzol: <sitzkrieg> Thankyou. A useful manoeuvre to take note of for future reference.|
|Nov-17-05|| ||offramp: <who: In the annotation after move 30...a6 there is a typo. It should read the g1-a7 diagonal.>|
I think it should be a7-g1 diagonal.
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