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|Jan-04-08|| ||Papon: 32. ... Qf6 33. Bf7 Qf7 34. h5 and white queen is gone|
|Jan-04-08|| ||al wazir: <Papon: 32...Qf6 33. Bf7+> Kxf7, and the white ♗ is gone. (I think you meant the black ♕, not the white.)|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Papon: Please see if it is ok.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Papon: 32... Qf6 33. Qg4 Kh6 34. Rf1 Qg6 ( 34... Qe7 35. Qf4 Kg6 36. Bf7 Qf7 37. Og5#)( 34... Qe7 35. Qf4 Kh5 36. Bg4 Kg6 37. h5#)(34... Qf1 35. Qg5# ) 35. Qf4 Kh5 36. Bf7|
|Jan-04-08|| ||al wazir: <Papon: 32...Qf6 33. Qg4 Kh6 34. Rf1> Qe5 35. Rf5. If now 35...Qxf5 36. Bxf5/Qxf5 g6, then black has ♖+♖ vs ♕+♙.|
I believe that white has a win, but I haven't found it yet.
|Jan-04-08|| ||Sularus: correct me if i'm wrong:
black did NOT take the h4 pawn after
13. h4 because it will open his castled king to attack along the h-file?
too, that is the primary purpose why white did that move? to start an attack?
book line i guess
|Jan-04-08|| ||lentil: <Sularus>: after 13.. Bxh4??, White simply plays 14 Qh5.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||patzer2: White's 30. Rxf7+!? is an interesting demolition combination.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||ounos: 32. ... Qf6 33. h5+ and 34. Bf7+|
|Jan-04-08|| ||dabearsrock1010: one day i dream of a chessgames.com where sveshnikov sicilians are marked correctly|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Shakalul: al wazir,what if in your line(32...Qf6 33.Qg4 Kh6 34.Rf1 Qe5)white plays 35.Bf5.For example,35.Bf5 Qf6(i think it is the only possible move for black) 36.Qf4+ Qh5 37.g4+ Kxh4 38.g5#.I didn't check this with an board,so it may have mistakes.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Mizerak: What am I missing in this discussion? If 32. ... Qf6 33. Bf7+ Qxf7 (forced) 34. Qg5# Game over.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Sularus: <lentil> groan! i really am a patzer.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <Mizerak> Perhaps this: <al wazir: <Papon: 32...Qf6 33. Bf7+> Kxf7, and the white B is gone.>|
|Jan-04-08|| ||SuperPatzer77: <Mizerak: What am I missing in this discussion? If 32. ... Qf6 33. Bf7+ Qxf7 (forced) 34. Qg5# Game over.> |
Mizerak, you missed 33...Kxf7 - not 33...Qxf7??? 34. Qg5#, so Black is in a safe place when White is one bishop down.
|Jan-04-08|| ||xrt999: <sularus: too, that is the primary purpose why white did that move? to start an attack?
book line i guess>
I cant recall seeing h4 in the sicilian. My initial thoughts were: (??attacking? What a bad move). White ends up with a semi-solid pawn structure which black opts to work around rather than try to undermine with h6 and/or g5. Black protects the h4-g8 diagonal, so this might work, might not.
similarly, 17.Rd1 is apparently better than 0-0-0, which would be my first inclination. After 17.Rd1, I would think the king would be safer in the center, then white castles kinside right into this seemingly unstable pawn structure.
The theme here is drawing black into committing to and defending against white's percieved best moves, then counterattacking. Good psychological strategy by white.
|Jan-04-08|| ||kevin86: There is a big honor at Ohio State football games to dot the "I" in script Ohio;a man from a southern school didn't think it was such a big thing to do it at his school. After all,he went to the University of MIssIssIppI.lol|
The finish is a beautiful example of the epaulette mate after the forced 33...♕f7 34 ♕g5#.
|Jan-04-08|| ||Confuse: al wazir
32. Qf6, h5+, Kxh5(forced) Bf7+ Qxf7(forced) Qxf7 and now the black queen is gone.
|Jan-04-08|| ||parmetd: If Qf6 then the immediate h5+ wins same thing from the ending position black resigns cause Qxf7 is forced then h5+ wins.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||starkidaway: It took me a while to realize that the reason black can't play, |
is due to,
33.Bf7+ Kd8 (34....Ke7 35.Re1 QxR Be6+ and mates)
35.Be6 Qe2+ (35...QxB 36.PxQ and mate next move)
36.Kh3 and white wins.
However, this was harder to see than 31....Kg6 34.Qf4 line played in the actual game.
|Jan-04-08|| ||Jim Bartle: "Vlad" looks to be ripe for a pun as well.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Calli: The Astral Open? With I-I Ionica impaling Vlad? Come on CG stop making these things up! ;-)|
|Jan-04-08|| ||ruyfanatic: Why didn't white play 11.c4? It would have allowed him develop his knight with a tempo.|
|Jan-04-08|| ||Magic Castle: <Confuse> Yes, you really are. 33...Qf7 34. Qg5 mate.|
|Jan-06-08|| ||al wazir: <Confuse: 32. Qf6, h5+, Kxh5(forced) Bf7+ Qxf7(forced) Qxf7 and now the black queen is gone.>|
Thanks. White has ♕ vs. ♖+♗. I guess I'd rather have white, but it's not an overwhelming advantage
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