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Nov-22-04
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| Willem Wallekers: So on move 33 Black overlooked the same threat that he did see on move 29?
Strange. |
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Nov-22-04
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| cu8sfan: <So on move 33 Black overlooked the same threat that he did see on move 29? Strange.> Not so strange I think. It happens to me too and I even won a game recently when a back rank mate was looming and my opponent saw it all the time and wouldn't move his rook off his first rank. And all of a sudden he creates pressure against my pawn chain, attacks, moves that rook and is mated. |
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Nov-22-04
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| Willem Wallekers: cu8sfan: Sure, patzers like me do things like that, but was your opponent a 2200+ player? |
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Nov-22-04
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| cu8sfan: <was your opponent a 2200+ player?> Of course he was - n't. But when a patzer does it all the time or pretty often that could mean that top players do it rarely but still do it. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| sourcerer: well what can i say the game was a futile attempt at humour by black especially after the highly fatal Bd7<cu8sfan> i'm not sad i just thought of a<funny line to :)accompany my kibitz when i get right the puzzle can someone tell me where i can find annotated games of kramnik-leko 2004? |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| TheMightyPawn: I was thinkin about 34.Qc3+ Qd4 35.Re8 + |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| podjevsky: The problem with that is 34. Qc3+ Qd4+ and white king is checked. |
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Nov-22-04
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| patzer2: <sourcerer> If you go to the main page here at <chessgames.com> you will find that GM Keene has provided some annotations to the decisive and interesting games of the Leko Kramnik match. Just play through the games and look for the "pencil" annotations in the gray area below the Chess Board applet (but above the regular kibitzing). |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| Horseface: All must bow to the mighty Sneaky!! |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| Rank Amateur: I found the right move, but I still don't see the win. What comes after 34 ... Kg7. Trade Queens? Continue to attack the king? What is it? |
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Nov-22-04
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| patzer2: <Rank Amateur> After 34...Kg7 (34...Rxe8 35. QxQ  wins), 35. Rxd8 wins. |
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Nov-22-04
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| patzer2: Black's 33...Qxd6?? was a blunder. The move he should have played was 33...Qxg5 = to  , with a draw being the likely outcome.Still today's puzzle solution 34. Re8+! is a good example of undermining an "overworked piece," since the hapless Black Rook on d8 cannot protect both the Queen and itself |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| enigmaticcam: 34. Re8+ makes the most sense. Why trade off the queens with 34. Qc3+ when you can win a queen for a rook? |
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Nov-22-04
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| kevin86: a simple removal of the guard-next case! |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| Jatayu: why is 8...bd7 such a horrible move? |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| unsound: <the hapless Black Rook on d8 cannot protect both the Queen and itself> The rook is protecting itself? How extraordinary. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| azaris: <unsound> What a useful concept! No longer will my pieces be "en prise", for they are protected by themselves. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| BadTemper: Solved in .09 seconds. |
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Nov-22-04
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| Sneaky: <why is 8...bd7 such a horrible move?> I wouldn't call it horrible, but of the four main choices 8...Nfd7, 8...Nbd7, 8...Kf8, and 8...Bd7, it's probably the worst. The response 9.e5! gives White a position that I would take as White without hesitation. This game illustrates White's central advantage in this line, and although 13.d6 seemed to work out very well I wonder if White had even stronger. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| jkiipli: I don't see nothing wrong with 8...Bd7. Of course Im not a gm, but being honest white couldn't refute the move.
Btw. it is common knowledge that In 1.d4 2.c4 games one of black's main problems is to develop his b8 bishop, so IN PRINCIPE trading it is not a bad move, but indeed this time it is a littel different because black's e6 pawn is gone and therefore the bishop is not that weak anymore.
Correct me if Im missing something here. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| ThomYorke: Some beautiful moves like this make me see good things in the world. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| morphy234: Well, for once this one was easy! There's nothing special about the Re8+, it's been done in millions of games. |
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Nov-24-04
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| patzer2: <unsound> <azaris> You make a good point. The puzzle solution 34. Re8+ is indeed best classified as a simple deflection (removing the guard), as <kevin86> stated. So I've moving it from the "overworked piece" collection to the "deflection" collection. |
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Jan-17-06
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| notyetagm: The <fork-overload trick> strikes again. |
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Jan-17-06
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| notyetagm: Notice how the alternate capture of the d6-pawn also loses: 33 ...  xd6?? 34 e8+  g7 35 Px + and the Black lady vanishes with check. |
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