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Murray Chandler vs Antonio Fernandes
IV It (2001), Santo Antonio POR, rd 3, May-21
French Defense: McCutcheon. Lasker Variation (C12)  ·  1-0
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May-26-05
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  kevin86: Just checking: is the sequel--28...♖xd8 29 ♖xd8+ ♔h7 30 ♖bb8 g5 31 h5 ♖g6 32 ♖h8+ ♔g7 33 ♖bg8# right?
May-26-05  Milo: 31...Rg8, Kevin
May-26-05  YouRang: Rats. Qd8+ was the first move I looked at, but once again, I dismissed it after failing to see the further threat of Rb8 and h5, etc.
May-26-05  farrooj: what's the first thing you try? Sac your queen. nice find by chessgames, two Xrays in a week.
May-26-05
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  kevin86: Milo-black can avoid the mate but must give up a second rook-and soon after,his queen. Thus an easy win for Chandler.
May-26-05  midknightblue: Before looking at the answer I will give forth my suggested solution...and risk looking like a fool, if this Queen sac for some reason does not work. 28 Qd8 Rxd8 (or if Kh7 then RxR and win). 29 Rxd8 Kh7 30 Rb8 g5 31 h5 and should be a forced mate to follow, which black can delay but not avoid. I am trying to do this in my head to improve. If my answer makes no sense I apologize.
Jun-19-19  sudoplatov: Fairly easy. Punish Black for Fianchettoing his Rook.
Jun-19-19
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  agb2002: White is a pawn ahead.

Black's back rank is weak and the black king and the rook on g2 lack mobility. This leads to consider 28.Qd8+ Rxd8 (28... Kh7 29.Rxc8 wins) 29.Rxd8+ Kh7 30.Rbb8:

A) 30... Rg8 31.Rxg8 f5(6) (due to 32.Rh8+ Kg7 33.Rbg8#) 32.exf6 g5 33.h5 and mate in two.

B) 30... g5 31.h5 as above (31... Rg6 32.Rh8+ Kg7 33.Rbg8#).

Jun-19-19  Cheapo by the Dozen: Yet another fun one!

The main try is:

28 Qd8+ Rxd8
29 Rxd8+ Kh7
30 R1b8 and check whether Black can do anything useful with his tempo.

It turns out that he can't. Attempts at making horizontal Luft fail because they allow the e5 pawn to get to f6, while the ... g5 attempt at making vertical Luft fails to h5.

Jun-19-19  saturn2: My line was 28. Qd8+ Rxd8 29. Rxd8+ Kh7 30. Rbb8 g5 31. h5
Jun-19-19  stacase: Dunno, sometimes you see these things right away, and other times it's a "Why didn't I see that?" senior moment.

28.Qd8+ was as obvious as the north end of a south bound goat.

Jun-19-19
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  perfidious: <North end of a south bound goat>

Thought never occurred to me.

Jun-19-19  stacase: <perfidious ... Thought never occurred to me.>

Not yer basic chess term. But you kin Google it.

What follows 28.Qd8+ isn't as obvious, but obvious enough to cause Black to tip his King over.

I usually don't figure these puzzles out to the mate, indeed lots of them continue on many moves before defeat is obvious. On this one it looks like there's a mate in a few moves and in order to stave it off, Black must lose his Rook and then it follows - the game.

Jun-19-19  mel gibson: I didn't see it yet after I saw
the solution it seemed so easy.
(If Black takes the White Queen it's mate in 8.)

Stockfish 10 says mate in 15:

28. Qd8+

(28. Qd8+ (♕f6-d8+ ♔g8-h7 ♖b8xc8 ♕c6xc8 ♕d8xc8 ♖g7-g8 ♕c8xa6 ♘c4xe5 d4xe5 ♖g8-e8 ♖b1-b7 ♔h7-g8 ♕a6-d6 ♔g8-g7 ♕d6-d7 ♖e8-f8 ♘d2-f3 g6-g5 ♕d7-e7 g5xh4 ♕e7-f6+ ♔g7-g8 ♘f3-d4 ♔g8-h7 ♘d4xe6 ♖f8-g8 ♕f6xf7+ ♖g8-g7 ♕f7xg7+) +M15/63 222)

Jun-19-19
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  Richard Taylor: I solved this quite quickly. It is probably a forced mate. I cant see a way of avoiding mate for Black...

Fairly straightforward.

Murray Chandler was born in NZ. He doesn't play these days but I think he still manages his business Gambit Books.

Jun-19-19
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  fredthebear: <Richard Taylor> Good to see your comments, as always. (Haven't read any of your remarks in awhile.) Please keep 'em coming when you can!
Jun-19-19
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  ChessCoachClark: One of the best examples of an X-Ray attack that I've seen in a quite a while!

An excellent demonstration for my students, definitely.

Jun-19-19
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  malt: I did not see it, I had discarded 28.Qd8+

Looking at 28.Ne4 de4 29.d5 which did not work

Jun-19-19
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  patzer2: Could be I remembered this from 14 years ago, as I quickly found 28. Qd8+! solving today's Wednesday puzzle.

So where can Black improve? I'd look to the opening and ditch 13...b6?! 14. a4 ⩲ (14. h5 ±) in favor of 13...Bd7 = as in Black's win in O Matjushin vs O Budnikov, 2000.

Also better than 13...b6?! is 13...cxd4 as in the draw in Anand vs Shirov, 2010.

Jun-19-19
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  Breunor: Missed it, very nice combo.
Jun-19-19  TheaN: Hm. Typical. I saw that Qd8+ is the only real combo White has, played it, including any f-pawn moves met by exf6 (regular or en passant) but completely missed g5 as defense. Of course, h5 is as obvious as any other move in this combo, but I'd be a bit stumped to do this in game and miss such an obvious defense.

I do think that's the <benefit> of a game vs a puzzle (as many other factors are the opposite): in an actual game <if> White considers Qd8+ he'll take note of all possible escapes Black has before playing it. In a puzzle setting you settle just a tad bit too quickly on the <"this must be it"> mindset and can miss something.

Jun-19-19  Momentum Man: After 28Qd8 Rxd8 29.Rxd8+ Kh7 30.R1b8 g5 I quit looking.

Only to check the solution and then realize 31.h5 seals the tomb...

With just one sip to go, that’s the wrong time to know, “I coulda had a quick mate “

Jun-22-19
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  Richard Taylor: <fredthebear: <Richard Taylor> Good to see your comments, as always. (Haven't read any of your remarks in awhile.) Please keep 'em coming when you can!>

Thanks. I am trying to get cg.com to load some of my interesting games up but they haven't acknowledged me...I played in a tourney before Xmas of last year and won 4 drew 3 and lost 2 but the thing was they were all lively games and although I am 71 I made no, or very few, of those stupid errors I did in the last senior tournament. It was an "international tournament" (three levels).

But soon I will play in the NZ Seniors and Oceania Champs. I hope to do well.

I come here from time to time.

The Roggoff bunch and some of the extreme right wing nutters on here are spoiling the place. That said there are still a few good people on here. So I will comment from time to time.

All the best. Here it is cold (for NZ))!

Jul-10-19
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  fredthebear: <Richard Taylor> Responses tend to be few and far between from cg.com, but FTB did get help when FTB absolutely needed it the most. The site lost founding member Daniel Freeman almost one year ago and has not fully recovered.

<The Roggoff bunch and some of the extreme right wing nutters on here are spoiling the place. That said there are still a few good people on here. So I will comment from time to time.>

There are some harsh people on the site that enjoy harassment more than chess. I get the feeling some are affiliated with cg.com so they get a pass. This must change. On the other hand, FTB is no fan of the word police. People ought to be polite as a matter of course.

The Unites States has all-time record flooding, a very wet ("El Nino") spring and early summer. Many, many U.S. farmers did not get a crop in the field, and might be out-of-business due to extensive flood damage. (Furthermore, the rich top soil may be washed away.) The world will feel that pinch -- a big pinch -- at some point, and President Trump will be blamed for it.

Congratulations on your tournament performance. More importantly, you enjoyed the games. Stamina gets to be a problem as we age. My sleep patterns affect my chess performance as much as anything.

Do your professional athletes disgrace your NZ national anthem(s) like some ballplayers do here? (Our chumps do it for negative attention while the cameras are on, and the liberal mainstream media rewards them as some kind of ideological hero. The ballplayers could care less when the cameras are off.)

My Mrs. needs to use the computer, so I must step aside. Post when you can.

Jul-26-19
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  Richard Taylor: Thanks <FTB>...let's let sleeping dogs lie. Obviously I still think that cg.com and most here are good.

You get some bad floods in the US (we get some but the geography is not as vast so the effect is overall less forbidding).

Trump cant be blamed for the weather! But a better approach might help. But he's not the worst of them. He is rather an amusing character, apart from his tendency to excite the right wing and racist elements which is a pity. He could get stuck into poverty and the environment and work on things like that with the Democrats although I suppose they also have their agenda...

The environmental effects are not good. I think that the US can ride through that but it might be tough on those farmers and people in rural areas also. People have to work together.

I played in a Seniors and didn't do so well but I didn't make any terrible blunders except when I tried to trap a much lower ranked player, and got wiped out, my own fault!

Age is affecting me but I am still capable of playing a reasonable game of chess. The winner of the tournament Mike Steadman, after I blundered in the opening, was later looking at a position that somehow had become almost a Zugzwang and he had to bail out. I saw that it was a draw. Something made me play to quickly and I blundered and eventually lost...However, still didn't do too badly.

I don't take any notice of anthems and patriotic nonsense. I don't believe in nations. This by the way comes into a book I just read called 'The English Patient' by Ondaatje. In it the English man isn't one and the "hero" of the war who defuses bombs is a Sikh, while his brother refuses to fight for the British and is in the resistance to them, and the 'Englishman' has no name and reads Herodotus but is fascinated by the various Arabic tribes, and the desert itself, where countries are arbitrary. Where whole armies disappear in ferocious sandstorms. And Herodotus is the "father of lies" but he wrote a fascinating and absorbing history and or fantasy.

As to protests, which is what you are talking of, I felt they were legitimate. Flags are symbols and mean little. What matters are people not theories.

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