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Dejan Podhraski vs Simon Jeric
12th Open (2001), Ljubljana SLO, rd 3, Jun-25
Scandinavian Defense: Main Lines. Mieses Variation (B01)  ·  0-1
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Apr-27-06  JYMMI: I got this one...
Apr-27-06  chessic eric: <<dwbh> I saw 33. ...Rxb3+, 34. Ka1 Qxc2 with an unavoidable mate in one - Ok, I was missing something 35. Ne7+ Kh7 36. g8=Q+ Rxc8 37. Qxc8+ lets White back into the game. Duh.> Allowing Ne7+ at any point does more than allow white back into the game - it ends it in one more move beyond what you saw, ...Kh6 Qh8#.
Apr-27-06  LPeristy: Seems pretty easy for a Thursday puzzle...
Apr-27-06  apawnandafool: There's gotta be a probabilities table that determines the daily distribution of differently skill-ranked Chessgames puzzles.
Apr-27-06
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  ganstaman: <Ericsupreme> You do realize that the Scandinavian Defense is a respectable (at least semi-respectable, definitely fully playable) opening, right? I don't quite know the rationale behind having your queen out early here, but I think it's not much of a problem because the queen is fine on a5 for a while, and when it is ready to move it does a fine job where it is. Of course, other moves for black are available on the 3rd move, and all those queen placements have their own ideas too.

It's nice that you know the general principle of it being bad to bring out your queen early, but it's more important for you to understand why and know when to break it (it's usually bad because it allows the other player to develop naturally while you shuffle your queen all over the board). In this game, I don't see too many more natural moves for white that attack black's queen. And attacking the queen just for the sake of it just isn't great chess.

Apr-27-06  ttlms: 33...Rxb3+ was necessary but rather obvious, and Black can proceed 34...Qd1+ if he likes. I guess lots of folks already pointed this out, though.
Apr-27-06  midknightblue: old school whooping, scandi style.
Apr-27-06  tacite: Could have white played 26.h7+ instead of 26.hxg7?
Apr-27-06  midknightblue: I like the scandinavian but Ericsupreme brings up a valid point. Black's justification for how he can get away with all those wasted tempos moving his Q around? White usually wastes some tempo's with his knights as well - allowing black to catch up. In this case he moves his King's knight all over the place without making any progress. in other lines he plays the Q knight to c3 and then d5 or e4 and finally to f6 only to have it exchanged off. So the Scandinavian is still holding on theoretically - and I think this is why. It is not straying too far from priniples of chess because it can only be directly attacked by Nc3 which is a slightly awkward place for the knight (as noted above it will often move twice more with little net gain, and secondly it blocks the c pawn).
Apr-27-06
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  YouRang: I'm sensing a consensus here:

<marcwordsmith> seems like an easy one for Thursday.

<Marvol>Not too hard for a Thursday, all in all.

<EmperorAtahualpa> Very easy puzzle for Thursdays, I think!

<TheUnkraut> Too easy for a thursdays puzzle

<WarmasterKron> Surprisingly simple for a Thursday.

<dutchboy13> this was not a hard puzzel for a thursday

<ZnFinger> agreed that this seemed easy for a thursday.

<Summum Malum> A little easy for a thursday don't you think??

<Castle In The Sky> This puzzle was more a Monday plus than a Thursday.

<LPeristy> Seems pretty easy for a Thursday puzzle...

[...and a few others alluding to the relative easiness of the puzzle]

Well, I hate to sound conceited, but I think I summed it up best when I said:

<YouRang> Rather easy for a Thursday

Apr-27-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Took me only 30 min....
Apr-27-06  Halldor: According to YouRang's List the Easy Singers are rather many here today. But I liked this one very much, it has a clear forced line but does not end in a fog.
Apr-27-06  viky: Does anyone see anything wrong with this line?
33 .. Qd1+ 34 Rxd1 Rxd1+ 35 Ka2 Rb3! 36 Ne7+ Kh7 Now white cannot aviod mate on Ra6+
Apr-27-06  stanleys: Rather easy - mate in 4 against the best defence,a forced line
Apr-27-06  Mendrys: Easy for a thursday. Seems like this week wednesday and thursday should have been transposed. This one was much easier than yesterday's. The moves are all forcing moves. I saw 33... Rxb3+ 34. Ka1 Qxd1+ 35. Rxd1 Rxd1+ 36. Ka2 Rb2+ 37. Ka3 Ra1# Not as elegant and efficient as in the game but certainly just as forcing.
Apr-27-06
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  YouRang: Hi <viky>.

<Does anyone see anything wrong with this line? 33 .. Qd1+ 34 Rxd1 Rxd1+ 35 Ka2 Rb3! 36 Ne7+ Kh7 Now white cannot aviod mate on Ra6+>

First, I assume you meant "35 Ka2 <Rb6>!" (not Rb3).

Second, I'm afraid this line loses (for Black). After 36. Ne7+ Kh7, White has 37. g8=Q+ Rxg8 38. Qxg8 Kh6 39. Qh1#

Black will never get a chance to play Ra6#.

Apr-27-06  TheUnkraut: (Yourang) thanks for putting me to your list. But my "too easy for a thursday puzzle" was just an ironic comment to this howl here. I think, most of the puzzles here are extremely easy-you have always to give the queen for mate and something like that. Im just wondering what this "too easy for ...monday, wednesday, saturday" shall say to us-i can see no real difference between this obvious ones. The only interesting one during the last time was this R:f7 sacrifice that didnt worked...
Apr-27-06  syracrophy: I did not saw <35...Qd1+>, but I saw the better <35...Qxc2+!! 36.Kxc2 Rd2+ 37.Kb1 Rb2+ 38.Kc1 Ra1++>

So <35...Qxc2+!!> is also possible. That the sequence I saw

Apr-27-06  aazqua: This is an absurdly easy thrusday puzzle. There is only one possible first move, one possible white response and one obvious next black move. I happened to find the less efficient q*c2 check, k*q, r-d2 check, k-b1, r-b2check, k-c1 r-a1 mate but it's easy to see how the king will be mated without the help of the queen. Obviously balck can't give white the move, so all moves must be checks. More like a monday puzzle.
Apr-27-06  think: I thought this one was easier than yesterday's. Anyone who has studied king attacks would have seen that the rook sack has to win.
Apr-27-06  Lucky1: My computer says white was way ahead and threw the game away with 27 Qe3. 27 Qf3 is recommended. The difference is beyond me.
Apr-28-06  melianis: There really aren't any alternatives, defensive or offensive.
Apr-28-06  blingice: <Lucky1> What program are you using? It should give a continuation if you are using nearly any type of program.
Apr-28-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Okay here is what my silicon likes (Shredder 9) after 16+ minutes on infinite analysis.

27. Qg4 (13.81) I wonder why that's all it gave too...

Alternate option

27. Qg5 Qd2 28. Qh5 Kxg7 29. Reg1+ Kf6 30. Ng5 Ke7 Qxf7+ (13.31)

Apr-28-06  Lucky1: <blingice> My program, Spike, shows the continuation. I am too lazy to try and understand the position. (No wonder I'm a perpetual rookie.)

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