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|Apr-04-05|| ||thesonicvision: someone needs to comment on this...
because i'm not at a level high enough
to understand the sac or the resulting
win for white. i know tate is a
legendary attacker...but come on.
|Apr-04-05|| ||crafty: 32. ♕g3 ♔b7 33. ♕g7 ♖c7 34. ♕d4 ♗b5 35. ♗d5+ (eval -1.09; depth 11 ply; 1000M nodes)|
|Apr-15-05|| ||JohnBoy: I don't understand why crafty opens with 32.Qg3.
This is probably a time loss, but white should give black plenty to think about by shoving the h pawn. Black does not really have an attack and white's pieces are quite well coordinated.
|Apr-15-05|| ||samvega: <Johnboy> There's a latent pin on the c-file, so e.g. 32.a4 Be8 33.Qg4 Nxb3+. |
On g3 the queen defends b3, h4, e4 (idirectly) and f2, and I guess has the idea of Qd3 then e5. That would explain 32..Kb7... interesting pendulum suggested by Crafty...
|Apr-16-05|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: <samvega> How is move <32.a4> posssible? I don't see pawns on a-file. |
|Apr-16-05|| ||samvega: There's a latent pin on the c-file, so for example: 32.h5 Be8 33.Qg4? Nxb3+ 34.cxb3 Qxb3. |
On g3 the queen defends b3, h4, e4 (indirectly) and f2, and threatens Qe3.
|Apr-16-05|| ||Brian Watson: 32.Qg3 also defends against the immediate ..Bb5 (Rxd6+), and against ..Rf3 (idea ..Nxb3+). Black has so many threats... |
Perhaps the game result has been reversed?
|Apr-16-05|| ||zhentil: I'm guessing he lost on time. |
|Apr-16-05|| ||samvega: Why not 31.Bxd6+ Bxd6 32.Qxd6+ Kb6 33.Qd4? |
|Apr-17-05|| ||Brian Watson: I suppose after 31.Bxd6+ Bxd6 32.Qxd6+ Kb6 33.Qd4 Rcd8 34.Qb2 Rxd1+ 35.Rxd1 Qxb2+ 36.Kxb2 Bxe4 followed by ..Rf2 that black still has some pressure. |
|Sep-04-05|| ||samvega: Ok, the original question was whether this was a "legitimate" win for white, or just a time loss. Crafty then gave a complicated line (which I don't completely follow), evaluated as a win for black. <JohnBoy> querried why Crafty started with 32.Qg3, since the most obvious idea is to push the h-pawn. In reply, I badly mis-typed a variation that I thought explained 32.Qg3. What I think I meant to type was:|
32.h5 Be8 33.Qg4 Bxh5 34.Qxh5 Nxb3+
I was just reviewing this game and wondering if the above line is correct.
|Sep-10-05|| ||samvega: This position and Crafty's analysis is very confusing:|
<32.h5 Be8 33.Qg4 Bxh5 34.Qxh5 Nxb3+> seems incorrect in view of the continuation 35.Bxb3 Qxb3 36.Bd4+ Ka6 37.Qe2+ Kb7 38.Rd3.
So it should be 32.h5 Be8 33.Qg4 Bd7 and:
A. (a la Crafty's line) 34.Qg3 Kb7 35.Bd5+ Bc6 36.Qg7 Rc7 37.Bxc6+ Kxc6, and I think black is winning
B. 34.Qe2? Nxb3+ 35.cxb3 Qxb3
After 32.h5, alternative attempts to set up the pin with ..Ba4/..Bb5/..Bd7 would fail to Rxd6+. But 32.h5 Be8 33.Rxd6+ now fails to ..Ka7 34.Bd4 Qa3+ 35.Bb2 Nxb3+ and ..Qxd6.
|Sep-11-05|| ||samvega: A rich position. Can white force a draw by perpetual? 32.h5 Be8 33.Qg4 d7 34.Qg6 Nxb3+ 35.Bxb3 Qxb3 36.Rxd6+ Bxd6 37.Qxd6+ etc.|
|Sep-11-05|| ||Brian Watson: <sam> <32.h5 Be8 33.Qg4 Bd7 34.Qg6> ..Rc6, threatening ..d5, and if 35.Bd5 then of course the thematic Nxb3.|
|Dec-27-06|| ||ChessNe1: I guess Shulman saw the h-pawn going in for the touchdown.|
|Aug-11-08|| ||HannibalSchlecter: At first I thought the sac was ridiculous. On further inspection, it's very interesting. Black's king has no safe haven, and white gets to have all the fun with pieces and pawns rapidly coming after it. Perhaps black needs to sac the piece back to blow open shelter on the white king.|
|Apr-04-10|| ||tpstar: "In the second round, Tate pulls an upset with an interesting sacrifice. It appears that he only gets two pawns for his piece, but in fact he gets a safe king and a free hand on the kingside. In the final position, Black has no prospects, as White's pawns are clearly superior to the piece." Jerry Hanken, "Chess Life" January 2002.|
The gamescore gives "31. Bb2 Kb6 and Black resigns."
|Apr-04-10|| ||Marmot PFL: Seems like a superficial evaluation by Hanken. Black's pieces are active and white isn't even close to promoting a pawn.|
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|Sep-22-16|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Very nice pun. 17.b3 might rank as the strangest piece sacrifice I have ever seen. Took quite a bit of time to figure out White's intention: make his King as secure as possible given that this is a Sicilian; then play Qh5xh7. When Black plays ...Rg8-f8, play Qh7-g7 and nothing can stop the passed h-pawn. In preventing that, Black allowed Tate to switch to an attack upon the uncastled King.|
At least, I think that's what Tate had in mind. He doesn't play chess, he creates baffling puzzles that can prove very hard to decipher. Perhaps Black should have castled 0-0-0 and then attempted a central pawn break.
|Sep-22-16|| ||morfishine: Nonsensical play-on-word: Tate won
And so another dreary and botched effort at elementary wit explodes cataclysmically, much like the Hindenberg
|Sep-22-16|| ||newzild: <morfishine> Not so, as it is Shulman who "has" Tate (as an opponent).|
Like other posters, I found the game to be pretty interesting but am a bit puzzled about the resignation. White is going to run his pawn to h8, but even then Black can exchange a rook for bishop and pawn, allowing counter-chances with White's main defensive piece gone.
|Sep-22-16|| ||posoo: "HAS E TATE" as an opponunt MORFUDLIAN!
I have e Tate dis rownd
DO NOT COMAT SOICIDE over pins u do not understand
|Sep-22-16|| ||kevin86: Does Emery have tate or does he just Tate good?|
|Sep-22-16|| ||JohnBoy: The comments above by <samvega> are well worth review.|
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