| Jun-15-05 |
| Shams: a very convincing victory for black. If 10.Kf1 then black plays 10...Qh4 11.Be3 Ng3+ 12.fxg3 Qxc4+ 13.Ne2 Bg4 followed by ...0-0 extremely complicated line though. anyone see an improvement? |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| aw1988: How about 12. hxg3 Qxh1 and here white can choose between Nd6+, Nc7+, Nxa7, or Rd1. I think Nd6 is probably the best. |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| Shams: <aw1988> that's a better recapture for white, but black still takes on c4 with check, yes? |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| aw1988: Sorry, what check? |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| Shams: instead of 12...Qxh1 black grabs the bishop with check. my line is this: 10.Kf1 Qh4
11.Be3 Ng3+
12.hxg3 (or fxg3) Qxc4+
13.Ne2 0-0
or some such. I agree with you, black should not take the h1 rook. |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| aw1988: Well, after 13...O-O 14. Nd6 presents certain difficulties, but I can see black winning this. So, back to the drawing board...
What about 11. g3? |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| Shams: 11.g3 and ...Nxg3 is still an option, or ...Bh3+ 12.Nxh3 Qxh3+ 13.Ke2 and either the safe 0-0 or Qg2 look very good. 11.Qc2 Nxf2 12.g3 might work for white.
maybe 10...Qh4 would not be strongest. |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| aw1988: Ah, but here's another resource!
10. Kf1 Qh4 11. g3 Nxg3+ 12. Kg2 and now if Nh5 we have Nd4!. But Nf5 is more complicated. Nd4 might still work... Nfxd4 Be3, and black is losing a piece. D'oh! After Nd4 Nfxd4 Be3 black has Bd7. However, looking at it even further, white is not doomed to those confines... Bd7 Nxd4! Nxd4 Bxf7+!. Unfortunately, white is already a piece down.
White could actually improve with Bxd4 Nxd4 Bb5!! where Nxb5 Qxb4 leaves a more open king. He cannot castle kingside, but Qe7 solves this. Gah! The more solutions I find, the more problems! That variation is finished. |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| aw1988: So after Qc2, which does look better, (and why Nxf2?) the response for black is difficult. O-O looks the most dangerous for white (the rooks threaten to invade). |
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| Jun-15-05 |
| aw1988: Oh, I see the point of Nxf2. Well, 11. Qc2 Nxf2 12. Bxf7+! Kxf7 13. Qf5 wins the piece back with interest. Bxf7+ Kxf7 Qxc6 is insufficient. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| Shams: <aw1988> I'm glad no Fritzies have spoiled our fun over the night.
Are you analyzing without moving pieces? I switched to the skjbase viewer a month or so ago, for this reason. I only ask because in your 10. Kf1 Qh4 11. g3 Nxg3+ 12. Kg2! line it looks like you are taking twice on d4 with the same knight, the second time after it's been removed from the board. That, or I'm missing something. if 11. Qc2 Nxf2 12. Bxf7+ Kxf7 then white can only follow with 13.Qxc6, since the f5 square is covered by the Bc8. But 13...Nxh1 mates quickly enough for black. In the 11.Qc2 line I still think white's best hope is 12.g3. Black threatens Nxh1 and white must cover two mating squares. This morning I'm feeling like black should just play 10...0-0 and leave himself an easy game with no danger, but then people are always more conservative in the morning. Someone should do a study of two-a-day tournaments and see if people play more agressive lines in the evening. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| aw1988: Um... hold on. I do have the tendancy to copy down the same moves more than once. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| aw1988: No, I'm not using Fritz by the way, just my old brain. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| Shams: I know you're not. I just didn't want somebody else to throw out a long variation that their engine came up with. this is more fun and more educational. I wish the computers would just go away sometimes. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| Shams: oh, I see what you meant. You are using the default viewer, MyChess? |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| aw1988: OK, a lot to respond to and perhaps add on, so hang on... 1) Yes, I am moving the pieces.
2) OK, the simple version:
10. Kf1 Qh4 11. g3 Nxg3+ 12. Kg3 and if 12...Nh5 white has 13. Nd4!. But what about 12...Nf5? It looks more complicated, but 13. Nd4 should work, 13...Nfxd4 14. Be3 and black loses a piece. But after 14. Be3 black simply responds with 14...Bd7. But looking at it more, white is not doomed to that: 15. Bxd4 Nxd4 16. Bxf7+. The problem is that black is already a piece up.
So the idea is white can improve with 15. Bxd4 Nxd4 16. Bb5, where 16...Nxb5 17. Qxc4 leaves black with an open king. He cannot castle kingside, but 17...Qe7 is the solution to this. So then 11. Qc2 looks better. Why 11...Nxf2..? 11...O-O looks the most dangerous for white (the rooks invade). Ah, the point of 11...Nxf2 is seen. But it fails to 12. Bxf7+ Kxf7 13. Qf5+. 12. Bxf7+ Kxf7 13. Qxc6 is insufficient. That was what I meant in my previous analysis. I will look at it again later, the clarification of analysis has exhausted me. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| aw1988: Yes, I am using the default browser, but using an ICC examine board. |
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| Jun-16-05 |
| aw1988: (By the way, I realize now the analysis is riddled with errors, I'll correct it later) |
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