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| Nov-13-13 | | unferth: is it more embarrassing to lose a miniature cleanly or to flop around for ten pointless moves to avoid the appearance of having done so? |
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| Nov-13-13 | | Fish55: Looked at 14. c5 first, then realized that 14. Bf4 is a stronger execution of the same idea. |
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| Nov-13-13 | | LoveThatJoker: <14. Bf4!> 1-0
A) 14...Qxf4 15. Bg6#
B) 14...Qd4 15. Bg6+ and 16. Qxd4 
C) 14...Qd7 15. Bxc7 Qxc7? 16. Bg6#
D) 14...e5 (seemingly 'best') 15. Bxe5 Qh6 (15...Qxe5 16. Bg6#; 15...Qd7 16. Bg6+ Kd8 17. Bxh8 ) 16. Bxh8! LTJ |
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| Nov-13-13 | | LoveThatJoker: Oh ok, I see: 14...Qxf4 15. Bg6+ is not mate because of the interposition 15...Qf7. I still picked the best continuation however. I can just picture myself at the board going, "Not a mate! Oh well, guess I'll just pick up that Q!" LTJ |
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| Nov-13-13 | | M.Hassan: "Medium/Easy"
White to play 14.?
White is a pawn down.
If file d was not occupied by black Queen, then Bg6#. To divert the Queen is one way to approach this puzzle: 14.Bf4
<if...Qxf4 15.Bg6#>
14...........Qd7
15.Bxc7
<again if...Qxc7 16.Bg6#> 15............Bg7
16.Ba5 Bxb2
17.Bc3 Bxa1
18.Bxa1 Rg8
19.Bh7 Rf8
20.Bg6+ Kd8
21.Bxh5 Qxd1
22.Rxd1+ Nd7
23.Bxg4
White is better. |
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Nov-13-13
 | | FSR: I found this a little tricky. I spent several minutes looking at 14.Bg6+ Kd8 and now 15.Qe2 (my first thought) or 15.Bf4 (my second). Then the immediate 14.Bf4! dawned on me. Black loses his queen for two bishops after 14...Qxf4 15.Bg6+, and 14...e5? 15.Bxe5 doesn't help. And queen moves that protect the knight, such as 14...Qd7, don't really, since 15.Bxc7 Qxc7 is met by 16.Bg6#. |
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Nov-13-13
| | FSR: Black certainly played provocatively, and got duly punished for it. |
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Nov-13-13
 | | morfishine: It doesn’t get much uglier than this
<14.Bf4> This nice deflection wins the Black Queen for two Bishops. <14...Qxf4> Forced; after 14...e5 15.Bxe5 Qd7 16.Bg6+ Kd8 17.Bxh8 Black has lost a rook <15.Bg6+ Qf7 16.Qd3 Rg8 17.Bxf7+ Kxf7 18.Nc3> 
click for larger viewWhite has an easy win
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PM: In this line, even better is 18.Qh7+ Rg7 19.Qxh5+ Kg8 20.Nc3 ***** |
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| Nov-13-13 | | Swedish Logician: The method with an early e6 sacrifice often works well.
Bogoljubov vs Tarrasch, 1925 is a classic example <An Englishman> I think you are right about 7. – g5.
I was reminded of the game Spielmann vs S Landau, 1933
say at about move 13. |
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Nov-13-13
 | | agb2002: White has the bishop pair for a bishop, a knight and a pawn. Black is probably considering 14... Nd7 followed by ... 0-0-0. If the black queen were not on the d-file, say on b6 for example, White would deliver mate with 14.Bg6#. Hence, divert the black queen with 14.Bf4: A) 14... Qxf4 15.Bg6+ Qf7 16.Bxf7+, etc.
B) 14... Qd7(8) 15.Bxc7 and Black loses a piece at least because 15... Qxc7 allows mate 16.Bg6#. C) 14... e5 15.Bxe5 adds a pawn to Black's losses. |
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Nov-13-13
 | | whiteshark: You Don't Mess with the Zoltan |
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Nov-13-13
 | | Penguincw: 14.Bf4! Shocking! I had ideas of 14.Bg6. |
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| Nov-13-13 | | benjamincito: very nice play |
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| Nov-13-13 | | Patriot: Tricky Wednesday.
After toying with 14.Bg6+ I decided there was nothing to it. But after looking over a few threats I finally noticed 14.Bf4. 14.Bf4
14...Qxf4 15.Bg6+ Qf7 16.Bxf7+
14...e5 15.Bxe5 Qd7 16.Bxc7 Qxc7 17.Bg6#
14...Qd7 15.Bxc7 (similar to above) |
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Nov-13-13
 | | kevin86: I tried Bg6+ and realized that to chase the queen away from the d-file mean total ruin for black-if not checkmate. |
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Nov-13-13
 | | keypusher: Gosh, 14.Bf4 would make me so happy to play.
Some very curious opening decisions by Black -- Alekhine's Defense is hard enough to manage as it is. |
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Nov-13-13
 | | Domdaniel: <unferth> -- < is it more embarrassing to lose a miniature cleanly or to flop around for ten pointless moves to avoid the appearance of having done so?> Neither. Embarrassment shouldn't really be a factor. If you're lost, you're lost -- and squirming on for a few moves is irrelevant. I suppose we've all won (and lost) games like this. True, losing in 10 or 12 moves can be embarrassing, and one tends to stumble on for a few moves to lessen the humiliation. Does it make much of a difference? No, not really. |
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Nov-13-13
| | keypusher: <unferth: is it more embarrassing to lose a miniature cleanly or to flop around for ten pointless moves to avoid the appearance of having done so?> The former. Especially if your game winds up in a database and gets unearthed by sadists searching for miniatures. You might even wind up in a book as an example of What Not to Do. Far better to flop around. |
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Nov-13-13
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Nov-13-13
 | | perfidious: <unferth: is it more embarrassing to lose a miniature cleanly or to flop around for ten pointless moves to avoid the appearance of having done so?> Unpleasant as it has been to lose some miniatures-some of which repose here at CG-I have never really thought about it. We may readily infer Black's attitude in the following game towards your question: Nunn vs Kiril Georgiev, 1988. See the very first kibitz, which corroborates Nunn's remark that many journals gave that gem as ending at move ten. |
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| Nov-13-13 | | BOSTER: <keypusher Far better to flop around> At least you have a chance to make a greater number of gross blunders. |
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| Nov-13-13 | | Shams: Some writers have referred to the act of playing on to avoid being on the wrong end of a miniature as "detonating an anti-publication device". |
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Nov-13-13
 | | Marmot PFL: Cute problem. Black has to watch out for all sorts of traps in the Alekhine's Defense. h6-g5 looks like a bad plan. |
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| Nov-14-13 | | Abdel Irada: The first inclination is to play 14. Bg6+, with an eye to pinning the queen with a later Rd1. However, this is not fast enough, and Black seems to escape safely with 14. ...Kd8. But what if that queen weren't on the d-file? Would that check on g6 perhaps come with greater force? ∞ |
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| Nov-14-13 | | BOSTER: Certainly, in my comment <you> supposed to be<we>. |
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