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|Nov-11-04|| ||Appaz: <acrice><Black's play is rock-solid>
And for those who didn't catch the pun, blacks first name "Stein" means "Rock" in norwegian. My guess is that he has heard this joke (and dozens of variations) before. BTW, his norwegian rating at the time was 1973. |
|Nov-11-04|| ||Larsenb3: <acirce>Kindly pointed out Carlsen's mistakes and I agree, he didn't exactly play poorly in the opening. |
|Jun-06-05|| ||mandar: why white didnot played 22.Bh5 ??
I am sure i have missed something pls write that down
|Aug-08-06|| ||Wilsonia: I'm convinced 22.Bh5 wins for white. 21...Qg6 is a shocker in an otherwise excellent game.|
|Aug-08-06|| ||psmith: <mandar> <Wilsonia>|
Is it possible the score is incorrect? Perhaps moves 21 and 22 were transposed. 21. Bxf5 Rxf5 22. Nb3 makes some sense (threatening the fork Nd4) followed by 22... Qg6 etc.
|Aug-08-06|| ||psmith: However, the score is given as here at:
|Dec-23-08|| ||whiteshark: White's back rank is booked Sollid|
|May-27-12|| ||JohnBoy: Sollid defense|
|Aug-03-14|| ||johnny6: <acirce> <Black's play is rock-solid ;-)
But I'm not sure Magnus did so bad in the opening, it's a rather usual line, see Anand vs Korchnoi, 1991 The deviation 8.Bg5 doesn't seem much better or worse than anything else.>|
Perhaps a better move is 8. Qd3 threatening to win a pawn after 8...O-O 9.Qc4+ Kh8 10.Bxc6 bxc6 11.Qxc6
|Feb-20-16|| ||ajile: I commented recently on a game where Black equalized easily with this defense against an opponent over 300 rating points above him. Same tame response of 4.d3 BTW. The other move is 4.Nc3 but I don't understand why this defense isn't used more at the top levels of GMs. The only person I can think of in the last few years is Radjabov.|
I was thinking about it and 3..f5 has a certain logic to it since White has already "lost" a tempo in a sense with 3.Bb5. The point is for White to take advantage of the now weak a2-g8 diagonal he would have to use an extra tempo (or tempos) to get the bishop back to either c4 or b3.
3..f5 seems to be a good way for Black to play in this variation instead of the standard Ruy Lopez defenses.
|Feb-20-16|| ||pilobolus: Carlsen was five years old?|
|Feb-20-16|| ||paavoh: <pilobolus> Ten or eleven. He was born Nov-1990.|
|Feb-20-16|| ||offramp: <Appaz: <acrice><Black's play is rock-solid> :) And for those who didn't catch the pun, blacks first name "Stein" means "Rock" in norwegian.>|
It makes more sense now.
|Feb-20-16|| ||offramp: This crushing defeat put Carlsen off chess forever.|
|Feb-20-16|| ||psmith: <offramp> I am guessing the pun 12 years ago was "sollid as a rock".|
|Feb-20-16|| ||Ben0891: After 22.Bh5 play can play Qh6 then if white moves the bishop Ng3 wins the Q|
|Feb-20-16|| ||Ben0891: Wins the queen and then a rook as well actually!|
|Feb-20-16|| ||TheTamale: I'm playing around with 27) Re2, and if then 27)... Rh5, 28) h3, and I'm not sure how Black cashes in. I'm a pretty weak player, so no doubt I'm missing something obvious.|
|Feb-20-16|| ||kevin86: Black will win queen for rook.|
|Feb-20-16|| ||TheTamale: Never mind, I see it now.|
|Feb-20-16|| ||JohnBoy: The game name would make sense if Sollid lost.|
|Feb-20-16|| ||Ayaend: 22 Bh5-Qh6
No Queen trape, no mat.
|Feb-20-16|| ||vajeer: I think Black's 17...d5 is premature which allows 18. c4 as pointed out by <acirce>.|
|Feb-21-16|| ||keypusher: <TheTamale: I'm playing around with 27) Re2, and if then 27)... Rh5, 28) h3, and I'm not sure how Black cashes in. I'm a pretty weak player, so no doubt I'm missing something obvious.>|
Black plays 28....Bxh3. If White takes the bishop, then 29.gxh3 Rxh3+ 30.Rh2 Rxh2+ 31.Qxh2 Rxh2#.
If he doesn't take the bishop, if he plays 29.Qf1 say, then 29....Bxg2+ 30.Kg1 Rh1#.
|Mar-19-16|| ||Sergash: Sollid is born in 1950 and, at the time of the game, was 50 or 51 years old. Early 2016 when he is now 75 or 76, his rating is 2031.|
<18.Qe2?! e4! (only move) 19.Bg4 Rae8! =>
As Acirce mentioned, 18.c4! Qd6 19.cxd5 Bxd5 20.Ne4 (20.Bxd5+ Qxd5 21.Re1 Stockfish 7 - 64 bits POPCNT) Bxe4 21.Bxe4 Stockfish 7 - 64 bits POPCNT.
I suspect both players were under severe time pressure in the end, having spent too much time in the opening!
Let's take a look:
Sollid could have played, for example, 21...b6 =. As said above Carlsen missed 22.Bh5 .
<24.Rde1?! Ree5?! 25.f3?? >
24.Nd4 = Stockfish 7 - 64 bits POPCNT.
24...Re7! / Stockfish 7 - 64 bits POPCNT.
25.f4! exf3ep (25...Re7 26.Rf2 = Stockfish 7 - 64 bits POPCNT) 26.Qxf3 Rhf5! 27.Qd1 = or 27.Qd3 = Stockfish 7 - 64 bits POPCNT. Carlsen had probably only expected 25...exf3... After 25.f3?? Black mates in 11 moves.
Otherwise, the game seemed well balanced. As always, the last mistake lost the point...
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