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Serafino Dubois vs Wilhelm Steinitz
"Dubious Dubois" (game of the day Dec-13-05)
London 1862  ·  Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Normal (C50)  ·  0-1


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Dec-31-05   ArturoRivera: what if 10.-Bxh4?
Jan-06-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: If 13.h3, then doesn't 13...Nf3+!! win in the same was as the game?
Jan-06-06   Averageguy: <LMAJ> After 13.h3 Nf3+ 14.gxf3 Bxf3 15.Be6 holds the h-pawn. Winning is 13...Ne2+ forcing 14.Qxe2, as 14.Kh1 Rxh3+ 15.gxh3 Bf3# is mate. After 14.Qxe2 Bxe2 once the rook moves black will take on f2 and will be easily winning.
Jan-07-06   ArturoRivera: what if 10.-Bxh4 crafty or anybody else?
Jan-07-06   Averageguy: <ArturoRivera> 10.Bxh4 Rxh4.
Jan-11-06   schnarre: <Averageguy>I'd say so too.
Jan-16-06   ArturoRivera: and does the atack follow as in the normal lines?
Jan-20-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: One of the operators of this website said that this game has been repeated as a trap like 30 times. I thought this was a bit over-exaggerated, until an IM told me it has probably been reapeated at least 100 times.
Jan-20-06   SickedChess: these IM was Robert Schinkmann? btw this strong player was removed from cg.com :(
Jan-20-06   shr0pshire: <Life Master AJ> Out of curiosity which international master told you that this game has been repeated 100 times? And which database did he/she find this in?

shr0p

Jan-20-06
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  chancho: < an IM told me it has probably been reapeated at least 100 times.>

Who is this IM?

Jan-20-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: IM was Petrovic, I doubt that he sends you any e-mail.
Jan-20-06
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  chancho: <IM was Petrovic, I doubt that he sends you any e-mail.>

<AJ> just giving us a name was more than sufficient. I don't want nor need an e-mail from Mr.Petrovic.

Jan-20-06   hayton3: <LIFE Master AJ:> Your inability to substantiate that you played a similar game in this line against a certain Schinkmann led to the removal of that game from this database.
Jan-20-06   shr0pshire: <Life Master AJ> I really don't care to contact IM Petrovic. I searched my own databases and found 20 otb games that were the same, and 2 correspondence games that were the same (both lower rated games). I was just wondering who it was and what database he is using, obviously it is a better one than my self-made one.
Feb-15-06   schnarre: <Life Maste AJ> Do you know if GM Daniel Miller still operates in the Mobile, Alabama area?
Oct-23-06   ChessDude33: Does this still work if 11.Nxh8?
Jul-04-07   Granny O Doul: Larry Abrams-Asa Hoffmann (New York, circa 1990) was another instance of this game's being repeated.
Jan-26-08   HNP: Please note that this is NOT the correct score of the game Dubois-Steinitz, London 1861! The game as given here follows an unplayed variation probably taken from Tartakover's '500 Master Games of Chess'. In the actual game, White played 9. h4 and managed to hang on until the 37th move. Steinitz elegantly exchanged his attack for a won endgame.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. O-O d6 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bh4 g5 8. Bg3 h5 9. h4 Bg4 10. c3 Qd7 11. d4 exd4 12. e5 dxe5 13. Bxe5 Nxe5 14. Nxe5 Qf5 15. Nxg4 hxg4 16. Bd3 Qd5 17. b4 O-O-O 18. c4 Qc6 19. bxc5 Rxh4 20. f3 Rdh8 21. fxg4 Qe8 22. Qe2 Qe3+ 23. Qxe3 dxe3 24. g3 Rh1+ 25. Kg2 R8h2+ 26. Kf3 Rxf1+ 27. Bxf1 Rf2+ 28. Kxe3 Rxf1 29. a4 Kd7 30. Kd3 Nxg4 31. Kc3 Ne3 32. Ra2 Rxb1 33. Rd2+ Kc6 34. Re2 Rc1+ 35. Kd2 Rc2+ 36. Kxe3 Rxe2+ 37. Kxe2 f5 0-1

Jul-27-08   JoergWalter: Tartakower's analysis(?) (in his book from 1952) is along the lines of the original Steinitz analysis. See also Knorre-Chrigorin,1874, and Grabhill-Mufridge,1932, in this database how much the players owe to this brilliant analysis.
Jan-13-09   WhiteRook48: why did white play 15. hxg3?? None of Dubois's skill is shown in this game.
Apr-13-09   tommy boy: <whiterook> White had no chance to avoid the mate
Apr-21-09   Brassica oleracea: As 13. h2-h3 turns out to be difficult to play for Black, it could be that 10. ... Qe7 is the more precise move. Then, after 11. Nxh8 hxg3 the game would lead into to the variation 10. ... hxg3 11. Nxh8 Qe7 per switching the moves.
Apr-21-09   AnalyzeThis: Basically, the entire game is a book line.
Nov-18-09   Granny O Doul: This game is also played between Don Diego Morphy and Joseph Le Carpentier in the Frances Parkinson Keyes novel "The Chess Players". How about that.
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