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Serafino Dubois vs Wilhelm Steinitz
"Dubious Dubois" (game of the day Mar-18-2017)
London (1862), London ENG
Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Normal (C50)  ·  0-1


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Apr-13-09  tommy boy: <whiterook> White had no chance to avoid the mate
Apr-21-09  Brassica oleracea: As 13. h2-h3 turns out to be difficult to play for Black, it could be that 10. ... ♕e7 is the more precise move. Then, after 11. ♘xh8 hxg3 the game would lead into to the variation 10. ... hxg3 11. ♘xh8 ♕e7 per switching the moves.
Apr-21-09  AnalyzeThis: Basically, the entire game is a book line.
Nov-18-09  Granny O Doul: This game is also played between Don Diego Morphy and Joseph Le Carpentier in the Frances Parkinson Keyes novel "The Chess Players". How about that.
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  InspiredByMorphy: Does black still have a winning advantage after 12.Qxg4?
Apr-10-10  just a kid: <Life Master AJ> It does happen a lot. In fact I followed this entire game(except the last 2 moves) to win just the other day!
May-05-10  tarikhk: what happens after 11. Nxh8? I can't find a concrete way for black to create an attack here.
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  tpstar: 4. 0-0 is the Italian Variation in the Main Line Giuoco Piano, which is perfectly playable and has independent significance after 4. 0-0 Nf6 5. Re1 with White retaining the option to play for d2-d4. Instead 5. d3 becomes a Giuoco Pianissimo, then 5 ... Nf6 6. Nc3 is the dreaded Old Stodge. 6. Bg5 is playable, except White should trade 7. Bxf6 or else admit the waste of time by retreating 7. Bd2/Be3!? instead of allowing 7. Bh4?! g5 8. Bg3 h5 leading to the famous trap line Dubois vs Steinitz, 1862

This line with 0-0 plus Bg5 is often used as an example of castling too early, as Black gains space and time against White's castled Kingside. In addition, once White plays d2-d3, the pin idea ... Bg4 followed by ... Nd4 is more potent as White can't retreat Be2 to block the pin and defend the Nf3. Another principle involved is Knights Before Bishops, so 6. Nbd2 followed by 7. c3 (covering the d4 square) is a safe continuation for White, although drab.

Steinitz plays a nice Kingside attack, then demonstrates how pins on the first rank are the worst since both the Knight and the Rook are paralyzed.

NA-TP (St. Joseph, 3/9/11): 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. 0-0 d6 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bh4?! g5 8. Bg3 h5! 9. h3 (not in db) h4 10. Bh2 Rg8 11. Nfd2!? (11. Qd2 Nh5) g4 12. hxg4 Bxg4 13. Qe1 Bh3

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And Black won (0-1).

Sep-28-11  Hugin:

Feb-23-12  syracrophy: After 22.♕e1 the great Steinitz missed the simple 22...♖h1+ 23.♔f2 ♖xf1+! <In fact, it doesn't even deserve a "!">

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Three possible captures but one of them is mate and the other two leads to the loss of the ♕

Feb-23-12  thomastonk: <syracrophy: After 22.Qe1 the great Steinitz missed the simple ...>

Young Steinitz didn't miss this line, but you missed <JoergWalter>'s comment above!

I have checked the details to be sure:

Suhle's tournament book gives "22. Dd1-e2 (?)", ie, 22. Qe2 instead of 22. Qe1.

L÷wenthal's tournament book gives "22. Q. to K's 2nd.", ie, again 22. Qe2 instead of 22. Qe1.

But almost half a century later Bachmann wrote in "Schachmeister Steinitz" that 22. Qe1 has happened.

Apr-30-12  JoergWalter: <thomastonk>

Reti's book "Masters of the chessboard" may have "popularized" the mistake 22.Qe1. Tartakower in "500 Master games of chess" got it right 22.Q-K2.

Apr-30-12  psmith: Has anyone submitted the correction to the score at move 22?
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  Calli: <psmith> submitted correction with a link to the tournament book
May-16-12  psmith: <Calli> It's right now! Thanks!
Jul-24-12  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Dubois vs Steinitz, 1862.
Your score: 17 (par = 15)


Jan-05-15  Ke2: a clockwork combination from steinitz
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  Fusilli: <WhiteRook48: why did white play 15. hxg3??> It's called choose your poison.
Feb-24-15  RookedFileFan: 15. gxh2 is still mate if hxg3 is not played.
Apr-05-15  Ziryab: This game is either analysis of Dubois vs Steinitz, 1862 or mistaken attribution to Steinitz of a later game played by Chigorin. Hugin's link to Edward Winter's article, "Confusion", sets the record straight.
Jul-04-15  Ke2: This site earlier had this game up in place of the current game V Knorre vs Chigorin, 1874. So according to Edward Winter it's analysis.

Regardless this combination is so very Steinitz style. It reminds of some of his analysis in the Greco Gambit for instance.

The funny thing about Steinitz is you can either see his smooth beautiful clockwork, or his stodgy practical play accepting all of Tchigorin's Evan's gambits.

Apr-03-16  john barleycorn: the wrong move 22.Qe1 was given in first (?) in: Deutsche Schachzeitung, September 1862 p.282.
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  offramp: Serafino Dubois is such a wonderful name. It deserves to be in a Mel Brooks film.
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  thegoodanarchist: < offramp: Serafino Dubois is such a wonderful name. It deserves to be in a Mel Brooks film.>

No one says that about the name "Blanche Dubois"

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  morfishine: And here we are treated to a Dumbious game title attached to a mediocre game

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