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|Jan-10-08|| ||sneaky pete: Ken Whyld, British Chess Magazine, January 1983, states (without giving a source) that this game is from a simul in Breslau, 1909, by Edward Lasker, where his brother Alfons Lasker was one of his opponents. He also gives the alternate final moves 19... Bf5+ 20.Qd5 Qc5#, which is very likely since, as <McCool> notes, black had 18.Kxe4 Bf5+ 19.Qd5 Qd4# in mind. A Russian publication (V Mire Shakhmatnikh Kombinatsii by Savin, 1981) shortened the game with 19... f5# and attributes it, mistakenly I think, to B(erthold) and Emanuel Lasker.|
Whyld: "If Shakespeare didn't write his plays they were written by someone else of the same name."
|Jan-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: nice, so Lasker beats one of himself?|
|May-20-11|| ||Phony Benoni: Looks like Emanuel had Baked A Lasker for dessert.|
|Dec-26-14|| ||alexmagnus: So, is Black Edward (as <sneaky pete> wrote or Emanuel (as in the game) Lasker?|
As for Alfons, yes, it is Edward's brother. He was a lawyer.
As for relation between Edward and Emanuel. From Edward's words:
<The genealogy, incidentally, indicates that the common forbear of Emanuel and myself was the son Samuel Lasker of the Rabbi of the Polish village Łask, whose name was originally Meier Hindels. However, later the additional name Lasker was given to him to distinguish him from another Meier Hindels also living in Lask. Samuel Lasker moved to another Polish village, Kepno, in 1769, after it had been captured by Frederick the Great and became a German township, and I am the last descendant of his who was born there. He was the greatgrandfather of my greatgrandfather. His first-born son left Kempen and moved to Jarotschin, another Polish village, and Emanuel Lasker was that one's greatgrandson.>
So, Samuel - their last common ancestor - was, apparently, great-great-great-grandfather of Edward and great-great-grandfather of Emanuel. That makes them - what, fourth cousins once removed? Not <that> distant in my eyes.
|Dec-26-14|| ||alexmagnus: No, that's great-great-great-great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather respectively. So, <fifth> cousin <twice> removed.|
|Dec-26-14|| ||perfidious: <Very> distant relatives indeed.|
|Dec-26-14|| ||alexmagnus: Well, to me as someone whose great-great-grandmother died just two years before his brother was born, that's not too far :D. I know some of my third cousins (no one of the fourth though).|
|Jun-19-17|| ||andrewjsacks: Good pun. Well done.|
|Jun-19-17|| ||offramp: Did Alfons have to pay to take part in the Simul? That would be harsh!|
|Jun-19-17|| ||AlicesKnight: The 'Pianissimo' variation produces another example of it being mis-named.|
|Jun-19-17|| ||FSR: This is essentially the same pun (of mine) that was used for Alekhine vs Lasker, 1934. The only difference is that in the present game the "a" was capitalized - appropriately, since the loser here was "A. Lasker." The game with my pun was GOTD on June 15, 2012. The present game was GOTD almost exactly five years later - but it appears, based on <Phony Benoni>'s comment, that he nominated it <before> my pun was used - on May 20, 2011. The period of over six years between nomination of a pun and use of it for GOTD might be a record.|
|Jun-19-17|| ||Moszkowski012273: 10...Bc4 is a cute little trick.|
|Jun-19-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: < FSR: ... The period of over six years between nomination of a pun and use of it for GOTD might be a record.>|
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
|Jun-19-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: <offramp: Did Alfons have to pay to take part in the Simul? That would be harsh!>|
I had to pay to take part in a simul with GM Edmar Mednis way back when.
And he didn't show any appreciation at all for my generosity, delivering a miniature which culminated in a classical smothered mate: his knight on h6, his queen going to g8 to deliver check, and my rook recapturing on g8, allowing Nf7#
I remember it well.
|Jun-19-17|| ||mrknightly: Great pun. Pretty sure Breslau was part of Germany in 1909 and remained so until after WWII.|
|Jun-19-17|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: My grandmother, who grew up in Breslau, spoke of meeting Lasker as a little girl and even of playing Muehle with him.|
But that's a total coincidence, since she met him on vacation. :)
|Jun-19-17|| ||offramp: <thegoodanarchist: <offramp: Did Alfons have to pay to take part in the Simul? That would be harsh!>
I had to pay to take part in a simul with GM Edmar Mednis way back when.>|
That sounds like you got your money's worth! But poor Alfonso, who it seems is from the Italian side of the family, had to pay to see his own brother. He had to pay to ask where the Marvel comics had been hidden.
|Jun-19-17|| ||catlover: The background of the players in this game is rather interesting. Emmanuel Lasker's roots were not only Jewish and German, but also Polish. |
As for the game itself, it looks like another example of the old "leave your king in the middle while your queen runs around the board scarfing up material" mistake.
|Jun-19-17|| ||King Harvest: Hi quality pun! And a nice finish in a beat-down-the-patzer sort of way. the #f5 one of those moves that reminds me I don't see the board like I ought. Although I did just watch a GM hang mate in a blitz game. That was cheering.|
|Jun-19-17|| ||Phony Benoni: <FSR> I don't keep detailed records, so I'm not sure if I nominated it in 2011 or not. It appeared fairly late on my Pun Submission list, but it's possible I nominated it in 2011, deleted from the list, then nominated it A lot can happen in six years.|
But now I've had to consider if the two puns are actually the same or not. Usually I ignore changes in capitalization, but this one so affects the meaning here that I'm listing them separately. Now, which comes first alphabetically?
|Jun-19-17|| ||JPi: Alfons les enfants...|
|Jun-19-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: Yet another one of the 9,000,000 examples of a checkmate that depends on forcing the King to take a knight. There must be some geometrical explanation. There aren't nearly as many mates based on forcing the King to take a bishop. Somebody should make an end game collection based on "make-daddy-eat-the-horse" mates.|
<catlover> The borders between Germany and Poland were extremely fluid (not just in the sense that they were drenched in blood), and "Greater Poland" or the "Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth" included a lot of the Baltic nations at various times, so it's one of those areas where people could change nationalities several times in their lives without traveling anywhere.
|Jun-20-17|| ||offramp: I've just thought of a much better pun for this game, which annihilates all of the unseemly, tawdry arguments about who was first.|
<D'you Know A Lasker.>
|Jun-20-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <offramp> Juno, I think you're right :-)|
|Jun-20-17|| ||kevin86: Classic 2 rook sac.|
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